Montgomery County Bill 21-22

[LuckyShot]

Not sure if I addressed this before or in another thread, but with the advent of body cams and multiple levels of independent "random" BWC reviewing, I would guess that discretion will become a thing of the past.

MPDs gun unit caught a bunch of heat for legally seizing illegal guns off mopes in the city, legally submitting them as evidence, legally writing complete reports... but they declined to charge the criminals with the guns. I completely understand WHY they do this, because the AUSAs in DC often refuse to prosecute gun crimes. Why should the detectives go through the trouble of charging people, carrying paper the next morning, submitting guns for test fire, preparing testimony, etc when they know full well that the prosecutors won't follow through on the prosecution of the case???

Anywho, back on the subject. I just don't see officers feeling free to use discretion anymore. There will always be a record showing they didn't do something and there will always be someone (many of them are members on this forum) that will crucify an officer based upon half a story that they didn't like.

In the old days, if it was busy and you pulled over a drunk driver, you could have taken "alternative" measures to ensure the public safety and make sure that drunk driver wasn't a hazard to the community. Instead of taking 3-4 hours off the road to process a drunk driver and write a report, only to watch the prosecutor offer a PBJ plea, you could take 3 minutes to determine they were drunk and about 5 seconds in effort to relieve them of the ability to drive that particular vehicle for several hours, and be on your way to handle calls for service, etc. Now, if there is a video of you chucking some drunks keys into the woods, you'll likely go to jail. If there is video of you driving a drunk military member home, you'll be the first one attacked when they drive drunk 7 years later in a different state and people (again... many are members here) who will villify you and say that if you had arrested that drunk driver 7 years ago after the first offense, he wouldn't have driven drunk this time.

If you see a law abiding citizen with a gun in the back seat, make sure its not stolen and send them along their merry way and an indepenent anti-police Police Accountablity Board member sees that you didn't arrest the guy, you're gonna get suspended without pay. If you let a WHITE guy go, you're going to get fired and might lose your pension. If you let someone go that ultimately ends up committing a crime 10 years down the road, you had better believe they are going to come after your with criminal charges. I think discretion is on its death bed...

I just don't see officer discretion being a thing anymore, especially amongst the younger officers. I want to give this caveat though, I am in felony level investigations now. It is not my job to make traffic stops, and you can darn well believe that I don't have any intention of making any traffic stops ever again in my life. I wouldn't count on the average MCPD cop giving much discretion anymore though.

This is NOT legal advice, nor is it to be considered encouragement to violate any laws. Keep your gun concealed, don't get pulled over and shut your mouth. If you have to ultimately use your gun for defense... be very polite and very quiet.

great write up. Cheers for that

 

[swinokur]

Remember what Occam said. They don’t hate criminals.

They hate us for daring to defend our Constitution.

So be it

 

[babalou]

Remember what Occam said. They don’t hate criminals.

They hate us for daring to defend our Constitution.

So be it

100%.

 

[Mister F]

That Second Amended Complaint by MSI along with the Notice of Intent to File a TRO and Preliminary Injunction definitely brought down the thunder.

I don't see this ending favorably for MoCo, but it's going to cost us our own tax dollars in the process. Oh well. It's the price that must be paid against these authoritarians.

As much as it sucks, it’s what has to happen. They aren’t going to just go along, Brown v Board was the beginning not the end. I joined MSI after my 16 hr class, and made a donation to the legal fund.
I’m hoping for a very short period of having to pop the mag and compartment my piece when transiting between non-prohibited locations. Lest I should cross through any 100 yard circles unintentionally, and get stopped by the police (which has not happened in 20 years, for a front tag on the back). And then searched for some insane reason. Last traffic stop I had, he didn’t even ask for my DL.
Guess in the business of defending against carjackers, it’s back to melee weapons only. Glad I have my mace.

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[Afrikeber]

Not sure if I addressed this before or in another thread, but with the advent of body cams and multiple levels of independent "random" BWC reviewing, I would guess that discretion will become a thing of the past.

MPDs gun unit caught a bunch of heat for legally seizing illegal guns off mopes in the city, legally submitting them as evidence, legally writing complete reports... but they declined to charge the criminals with the guns. I completely understand WHY they do this, because the AUSAs in DC often refuse to prosecute gun crimes. Why should the detectives go through the trouble of charging people, carrying paper the next morning, submitting guns for test fire, preparing testimony, etc when they know full well that the prosecutors won't follow through on the prosecution of the case???

Anywho, back on the subject. I just don't see officers feeling free to use discretion anymore. There will always be a record showing they didn't do something and there will always be someone (many of them are members on this forum) that will crucify an officer based upon half a story that they didn't like.

In the old days, if it was busy and you pulled over a drunk driver, you could have taken "alternative" measures to ensure the public safety and make sure that drunk driver wasn't a hazard to the community. Instead of taking 3-4 hours off the road to process a drunk driver and write a report, only to watch the prosecutor offer a PBJ plea, you could take 3 minutes to determine they were drunk and about 5 seconds in effort to relieve them of the ability to drive that particular vehicle for several hours, and be on your way to handle calls for service, etc. Now, if there is a video of you chucking some drunks keys into the woods, you'll likely go to jail. If there is video of you driving a drunk military member home, you'll be the first one attacked when they drive drunk 7 years later in a different state and people (again... many are members here) who will villify you and say that if you had arrested that drunk driver 7 years ago after the first offense, he wouldn't have driven drunk this time.

If you see a law abiding citizen with a gun in the back seat, make sure its not stolen and send them along their merry way and an indepenent anti-police Police Accountablity Board member sees that you didn't arrest the guy, you're gonna get suspended without pay. If you let a WHITE guy go, you're going to get fired and might lose your pension. If you let someone go that ultimately ends up committing a crime 10 years down the road, you had better believe they are going to come after your with criminal charges. I think discretion is on its death bed...

I just don't see officer discretion being a thing anymore, especially amongst the younger officers. I want to give this caveat though, I am in felony level investigations now. It is not my job to make traffic stops, and you can darn well believe that I don't have any intention of making any traffic stops ever again in my life. I wouldn't count on the average MCPD cop giving much discretion anymore though.

This is NOT legal advice, nor is it to be considered encouragement to violate any laws. Keep your gun concealed, don't get pulled over and shut your mouth. If you have to ultimately use your gun for defense... be very polite and very quiet.

Fair and sage commentary.

 

[Slumy__57]

I am not an MSI member, but after this, I'm thinking I might head on over and sign up.

 

[esqappellate]

Not sure if I addressed this before or in another thread, but with the advent of body cams and multiple levels of independent "random" BWC reviewing, I would guess that discretion will become a thing of the past.

MPDs gun unit caught a bunch of heat for legally seizing illegal guns off mopes in the city, legally submitting them as evidence, legally writing complete reports... but they declined to charge the criminals with the guns. I completely understand WHY they do this, because the AUSAs in DC often refuse to prosecute gun crimes. Why should the detectives go through the trouble of charging people, carrying paper the next morning, submitting guns for test fire, preparing testimony, etc when they know full well that the prosecutors won't follow through on the prosecution of the case???

Anywho, back on the subject. I just don't see officers feeling free to use discretion anymore. There will always be a record showing they didn't do something and there will always be someone (many of them are members on this forum) that will crucify an officer based upon half a story that they didn't like.

In the old days, if it was busy and you pulled over a drunk driver, you could have taken "alternative" measures to ensure the public safety and make sure that drunk driver wasn't a hazard to the community. Instead of taking 3-4 hours off the road to process a drunk driver and write a report, only to watch the prosecutor offer a PBJ plea, you could take 3 minutes to determine they were drunk and about 5 seconds in effort to relieve them of the ability to drive that particular vehicle for several hours, and be on your way to handle calls for service, etc. Now, if there is a video of you chucking some drunks keys into the woods, you'll likely go to jail. If there is video of you driving a drunk military member home, you'll be the first one attacked when they drive drunk 7 years later in a different state and people (again... many are members here) who will villify you and say that if you had arrested that drunk driver 7 years ago after the first offense, he wouldn't have driven drunk this time.

If you see a law abiding citizen with a gun in the back seat, make sure its not stolen and send them along their merry way and an indepenent anti-police Police Accountablity Board member sees that you didn't arrest the guy, you're gonna get suspended without pay. If you let a WHITE guy go, you're going to get fired and might lose your pension. If you let someone go that ultimately ends up committing a crime 10 years down the road, you had better believe they are going to come after your with criminal charges. I think discretion is on its death bed...

I just don't see officer discretion being a thing anymore, especially amongst the younger officers. I want to give this caveat though, I am in felony level investigations now. It is not my job to make traffic stops, and you can darn well believe that I don't have any intention of making any traffic stops ever again in my life. I wouldn't count on the average MCPD cop giving much discretion anymore though.

This is NOT legal advice, nor is it to be considered encouragement to violate any laws. Keep your gun concealed, don't get pulled over and shut your mouth. If you have to ultimately use your gun for defense... be very polite and very quiet.

.This is very wise advice!

 

[Afrikeber]

So our cops lose discretion but the SA will keep letting felons go.

Great

All it takes is for one azz hat to apply discretion in an unbalanced manner to screw it ip for the rest. Unfortunately no organization can rid its ranks of azz hats so discretion has to go. The majority of good honest people in organizations always wind up paying for the few Morons.

As for the SA office you know what they say “ you get what you pay for” and the SA office attracts morons who need a job with benefits because they would never do well anywhere else.

 

[eruby]

I am not an MSI member, but after this, I'm thinking I might head on over and sign up.

What the deuce?

Might?

Right bloody now sir!!!!

 

[Slumy__57]

What the deuce?

Might?

Right bloody now sir!!!!

Already done!

 

[eruby]

Already done!

 

[SWO Daddy]

That's for actual crimes. For violations by law-abiding people like us who run afoul of bills like this, they prosecute and wreck lives, on purpose. Because this bill isn't about keeping criminals from doing harm. It's about punishing you for erring in your world view on the side of liberty - and that's inexcusable in a blue state's deep-blue county of power. They don't hate guns, or crimes committed with them by career criminals. They hate YOU.

No hyperbole was harmed in the making of this comment.

+1

 

[Cal68]

I am not an MSI member, but after this, I'm thinking I might head on over and sign up.

I just renewed my membership in MSI for another year as a Sustaining Member. I encourage those MDS members who have not joined MSI to at least join as General Member. They will win the case against Montgomery County for all of us. Thanks for your support.

Cal68

 

[Bertfish]

Not sure if I addressed this before or in another thread, but with the advent of body cams and multiple levels of independent "random" BWC reviewing, I would guess that discretion will become a thing of the past.

MPDs gun unit caught a bunch of heat for legally seizing illegal guns off mopes in the city, legally submitting them as evidence, legally writing complete reports... but they declined to charge the criminals with the guns. I completely understand WHY they do this, because the AUSAs in DC often refuse to prosecute gun crimes. Why should the detectives go through the trouble of charging people, carrying paper the next morning, submitting guns for test fire, preparing testimony, etc when they know full well that the prosecutors won't follow through on the prosecution of the case???

Anywho, back on the subject. I just don't see officers feeling free to use discretion anymore. There will always be a record showing they didn't do something and there will always be someone (many of them are members on this forum) that will crucify an officer based upon half a story that they didn't like.

In the old days, if it was busy and you pulled over a drunk driver, you could have taken "alternative" measures to ensure the public safety and make sure that drunk driver wasn't a hazard to the community. Instead of taking 3-4 hours off the road to process a drunk driver and write a report, only to watch the prosecutor offer a PBJ plea, you could take 3 minutes to determine they were drunk and about 5 seconds in effort to relieve them of the ability to drive that particular vehicle for several hours, and be on your way to handle calls for service, etc. Now, if there is a video of you chucking some drunks keys into the woods, you'll likely go to jail. If there is video of you driving a drunk military member home, you'll be the first one attacked when they drive drunk 7 years later in a different state and people (again... many are members here) who will villify you and say that if you had arrested that drunk driver 7 years ago after the first offense, he wouldn't have driven drunk this time.

If you see a law abiding citizen with a gun in the back seat, make sure its not stolen and send them along their merry way and an indepenent anti-police Police Accountablity Board member sees that you didn't arrest the guy, you're gonna get suspended without pay. If you let a WHITE guy go, you're going to get fired and might lose your pension. If you let someone go that ultimately ends up committing a crime 10 years down the road, you had better believe they are going to come after your with criminal charges. I think discretion is on its death bed...

I just don't see officer discretion being a thing anymore, especially amongst the younger officers. I want to give this caveat though, I am in felony level investigations now. It is not my job to make traffic stops, and you can darn well believe that I don't have any intention of making any traffic stops ever again in my life. I wouldn't count on the average MCPD cop giving much discretion anymore though.

This is NOT legal advice, nor is it to be considered encouragement to violate any laws. Keep your gun concealed, don't get pulled over and shut your mouth. If you have to ultimately use your gun for defense... be very polite and very quiet.

Maybe this will wake people up to what they've created with the Leftist state

No discretion. No warnings. Everyone is ticketed or charged to the absolute extent of every law. License plate bulbs to murder. No discretion.

 

[esqappellate]

I just renewed my membership in MSI for another year as a Sustaining Member. I encourage those MDS members who have not joined MSI to at least join as General Member. They will win the case against Montgomery County for all of us. Thanks for your support.

Cal68

thank you!!

 

[Sunrise]

Here's a good summary/update on where everything stands now:

 

[CaptChaos]

Why isn’t knowingly putting unconstitutional laws in effect grounds for loss of political position at a minimum? This is an egregious defiance of mandate from the highest court in the land. If I had my way these people would be criminally charged.

 

[OrbitalEllipses]

Why isn’t knowingly putting unconstitutional laws in effect grounds for loss of political position at a minimum? This is an egregious defiance of mandate from the highest court in the land. If I had my way these people would be criminally charged.

More so, these folks should be responsible for restitution of legal fees incurred by the county.

 

[Occam]

Why isn’t knowingly putting unconstitutional laws in effect grounds for loss of political position at a minimum? This is an egregious defiance of mandate from the highest court in the land. If I had my way these people would be criminally charged.

That would essentially make “being stupid” a crime. Because while some of these politicians could be said to be doing this crap knowingly and deliberately, they can and do just play dumb.

 

[linkstate]

Not posting this to brag or whatever but I’m an existing MSI member and just sent more cash their way.

Everyone needs to do the same. Skip Starbucks or your McGriddle tomorrow and send something. If you don’t think the other f’ed up counties in this state and the legislature at large aren’t watching this, you’re just being silly.

These people hate ‘us’ and if they are reading these posts are probably just giddy with delight on how hopping mad we are.

The thing I can’t shake after going to gun stores and shows over the last few years and observing fellow clientele, the people in my WC class, the number of new minority gun owners I hear asking questions at the shops and making their first purchase, etc. is: Do these jack wagons even know who we really are? We are everyone who values self defense and self sufficiency no matter what race, creed or even gender identity. How does DEI seems to permeate every aspect of our society except 2a? Makes zero sense. But sense is certainly what the signers of this crap law lack.

Donate, it will make you feel a touch better.