Montgomery County Bill 21-22

[Occam]

All I see is PBJs and Stets and suspended sentences now…for actual real crimes.

That's for actual crimes. For violations by law-abiding people like us who run afoul of bills like this, they prosecute and wreck lives, on purpose. Because this bill isn't about keeping criminals from doing harm. It's about punishing you for erring in your world view on the side of liberty - and that's inexcusable in a blue state's deep-blue county of power. They don't hate guns, or crimes committed with them by career criminals. They hate YOU.

No hyperbole was harmed in the making of this comment.

 

[swinokur]

With more permit holders throughout MD the chances of a carrier being arrested go up. As was discussed the only permittees who know about this are people like us who dare to be informed

 

[LuckyShot]

What is it you want to ask? There may be one here that will reply.

I wasn't aware there was some in here. If they are they are lurking lmao.

What i've learned in an environment like a gym and them being out of uniform you tend to get a more honest non-pc response.

Even having a normal convo with a county cop working the door at a bar for side money is also another good example.

While they don't represent the entire departments opinion on something you can at least can get an idea. Maybe some insight if you will on how to go about this.

 

[swinokur]

They aren’t lurking. Many of us are familiar who they are and respect their input. We know because it’s mentioned as a casual aside, not because they are seeking attention. To a man, they are all good guys

And like some Troopers, their personal opinions aren’t relevant. They do what they are told because they like a paycheck and a pension.

Not saying this is a bad thing. We all gotta eat

 

[mpollan1]

I wasn't aware there was some in here. If they are they are lurking lmao.

What i've learned in an environment like a gym and them being out of uniform you tend to get a more honest non-pc response.

Even having a normal convo with a county cop working the door at a bar for side money is also another good example.

While they don't represent the entire departments opinion on something you can at least can get an idea. Maybe some insight if you will on how to go about this.

Just post what is on your mind.

 

[eruby]

I wasn't aware there was some in here. If they are they are lurking lmao.

What i've learned in an environment like a gym and them being out of uniform you tend to get a more honest non-pc response.

Even having a normal convo with a county cop working the door at a bar for side money is also another good example.

While they don't represent the entire departments opinion on something you can at least can get an idea. Maybe some insight if you will on how to go about this.

Go about what?

 

[Bertfish]

Just came through on the MSI Discord that the "ghost gun" lawsuit is being amended to include this newly enacted sham

 

[Mister F]

Just came through on the MSI Discord that the "ghost gun" lawsuit is being amended to include this newly enacted sham

That’s actually really a good plan, to amend it into a case that has had a lot of development already. No need to start at square one


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[swinokur]

Mark P is a master litigator.

The Clown show from Mo Co has no idea what’s coming

 

[Tower43]

You have not been personally served, they can't do anything (legally) to you if you don't show.

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I finally got a real copy... at 1137 this AM from my Operations Chief.... I was in court from 0900-1100 where the subject pled guilty lol

 

[Notch347]

Just came through on the MSI Discord that the "ghost gun" lawsuit is being amended to include this newly enacted sham

I'm not sure I want to have ghost guns lumped in with this direct violation of rights. Maybe iim wrong but wouldn't the ghost gun debate take much longer to sort out?

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[Tower43]

There's no point of trying to understand the BS law and where the no-go zones are.

Either you carry and disregard the law or you dont carry till this is all over.

I can only legally carry going to my girls house for tail and at work.

After I left court this AM in Rockville...I walked into the parking lot at FROMS, took my IWB MHP45 from the lock box and hooked it in my belt. **** em

 

[gamer_jim]

Just came through on the MSI Discord that the "ghost gun" lawsuit is being amended to include this newly enacted sham

MSI has a discord?

Can somebody throw me an invite please in a PM?

 

[Tower43]

MSI has a discord?

Can somebody throw me an invite please in a PM?

or hell in public?

 

[Raineman]

That's for actual crimes. For violations by law-abiding people like us who run afoul of bills like this, they prosecute and wreck lives, on purpose. Because this bill isn't about keeping criminals from doing harm. It's about punishing you for erring in your world view on the side of liberty - and that's inexcusable in a blue state's deep-blue county of power. They don't hate guns, or crimes committed with them by career criminals. They hate YOU.

This is ridiculously accurate

 

[Occam]

I'm not sure I want to have ghost guns lumped in with this direct violation of rights. Maybe iim wrong but wouldn't the ghost gun debate take much longer to sort out?

Both issues are direct infringements on the 2A, and under Bruen are plainly naughty given the Thomas ruling's clarification that it's about Text, History, and Tradition.

In both cases!

With respect to carry, Thomas addressed it directly in Bruen (since that's what the NYSRP case was about). But in saying that interest-balancing tap dancing around an enumerated right is off limits, and that TH&T is the proper guide: home brew firearms are well within 2A bounds, if for no other reason than that the notion of serialized (only!) firearms being the way of things at the time the Bill of Rights was ratified is plainly nonsense. So it's nonsense to think it WAS The Way, and thus it's nonsense now to consider it The Way.

MSI is smart to look at both as being aspects of the same fundamental issue addressed by Bruen: the 2A means what it says, and the ample history of the founders' understanding of things (and intent) and common custom means that MoCo's multiple attacks on gun owners in the county (or those who dare tread here!) really are all one thing to fight: infringement on the Bill of Rights by our county government. I heartily applaud the conflation of these two cases into the single one they really are - both for practical and expediency reasons, but also because it forces coverage of this to focus on the larger issue of constitutionally guaranteed liberty, not hairsplitting over individual little death-by-a-thousand-cuts slices, one wound at a time.

 

[jmcgonig]

Looks like they already added it... https://www.marylandshallissue.org/jmain/counselor-s-corner/msi-v-montgomery-county

 

[Bertfish]

MSI has a discord?

Can somebody throw me an invite please in a PM?

I have no idea how to do it. I had to email MSI to get added.

 

[LuckyShot]

Just post what is on your mind.

Go about what?

I'd like to know from an officer that conducts traffic stops with todays badge cams how this will more than likely be handled during a pull over. I'd also like to know if officers have been or will be briefed on this given the rise of carry permits.

 

[LuckyShot]

I have no idea how to do it. I had to email MSI to get added.

go to MSI site and make sure youre signed in. Hover over interact and should link you to the discord.