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  • Waingro

    Active Member
    Apr 4, 2018
    586
    Holy shit batman. That's incredible. That's hard to wrap the head around just how far that is. Thanks for posting that
     
    Here comes the azzhole in me...
    "After several hours of number crunching and aim adjusting later, their 69th shot hit the bullseye. Austin and Humphries say that while their hit is not scientifically consistently repeatable, this makes it extra coincidental that the previous 4-mile record set by Paul Phillips also landed on the 69th shot."
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    Read that paragraph again and think about it. They fired 69 shots before hitting an 8" target and admitted it isn't repeatable. I feel comfortable saying I could do the same in under 100 shots.
    Take: E.Shell, BrowningGuy or 4G64Loser out to Wyoming and they could do better.
    This is not newsworthy.
     

    Jimgoespewpew

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 6, 2021
    2,064
    Terlingua
    Here comes the azzhole in me...
    "After several hours of number crunching and aim adjusting later, their 69th shot hit the bullseye. Austin and Humphries say that while their hit is not scientifically consistently repeatable, this makes it extra coincidental that the previous 4-mile record set by Paul Phillips also landed on the 69th shot."
    .

    Read that paragraph again and think about it. They fired 69 shots before hitting an 8" target and admitted it isn't repeatable. I feel comfortable saying I could do the same in under 100 shots.
    Take: E.Shell, BrowningGuy or 4G64Loser out to Wyoming and they could do better.
    This is not newsworthy.
    It is, if only because this shot and the previous world record were both made on the 69th try.
     
    It is, if only because this shot and the previous world record were both made on the 69th try.
    It is not significant, nor impressive. They were lobbing bullets past 4 miles. At that distance, they were surely subsonic, making the shot DOPE non-repeatable. It took them 69 shots to hit the target. Had they hit the target 2x out of 5 shots, that would impress me; one hit after 69 shots is purely coincidental. How many more shots before hitting the target again? (It wasn't mentioned because there is a solid 99% chance they stopped after the first hit.)
    Others with more knowledge- please chime in.
     

    Jimgoespewpew

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 6, 2021
    2,064
    Terlingua
    It is not significant, nor impressive. They were lobbing bullets past 4 miles. At that distance, they were surely subsonic, making the shot DOPE non-repeatable. It took them 69 shots to hit the target. Had they hit the target 2x out of 5 shots, that would impress me; one hit after 69 shots is purely coincidental. How many more shots before hitting the target again? (It wasn't mentioned because there is a solid 99% chance they stopped after the first hit.)
    Others with more knowledge- please chime in.
    But, but....69!
     
    But, but....69!
    OK, you have a valid point...
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    4g64loser

    Bad influence
    Jan 18, 2007
    6,559
    maryland
    Not knocking the ELR crowd because there are those who take it very seriously and are on the outer limits of ballistic research. Development of projectiles that transit the transonic range in a more predictable fashion has been a large part of the process. Optics and externally adjustable mount systems have evolved to answer demand.

    The practicality of the exercise (and the lack of a place to regularly practice out past a mile) has kept me from throwing my hat in that particular ring. Shooting a gallon jug at a mile in less than five rounds is pretty impressive. I've done it with my 3006 (no, the loads are not SAAMI compliant), a couple of 260s, and a 308. I freely admit that the 308 was luck. The use of a point weapon system on a point target at range becomes a very dicey proposition as the predictability of a first round impact drops off (mechanical accuracy/group size, vertical stringing from high velocity spreads, environmental issues, etc.) It is time to apply an area weapon system like mortars or arty.

    In competitive .22 match (prs/nrl and the like) rimfire rifle systems have benefited from a new arms race. Accuracy previously undreamed of is now achievable at ranges that most centerfire shooters find a challenge. Does this make a .22 an effective 400+yd tool? Absolutely not. Specialized targets are needed and they must be hung in such a way that the miniscule amount of retained momentum will make them react visibly/audibly. This is often backed up at the longer ranges by hit indicator systems like the magnetospeed or lightreact.
     

    Waingro

    Active Member
    Apr 4, 2018
    586
    It is not significant, nor impressive. They were lobbing bullets past 4 miles. At that distance, they were surely subsonic, making the shot DOPE non-repeatable. It took them 69 shots to hit the target. Had they hit the target 2x out of 5 shots, that would impress me; one hit after 69 shots is purely coincidental. How many more shots before hitting the target again? (It wasn't mentioned because there is a solid 99% chance they stopped after the first hit.)
    Others with more knowledge- please chime in.
    I have ZERO experience in long range shooting. But wouldn't that record have already been beat with better shooters with more experience? Again I have zero experience in anything close to shooting that far out. I'm also interested from people that do. Long range shooting is definitely a science =)
     

    Waingro

    Active Member
    Apr 4, 2018
    586
    *****I'm thinking .40 S&W only because they hit the target on the 69th try! :thumbsup:

    They were probably pretty happy when that happened! Probably, feeling pretty gay even... :innocent0
    Hahaha =) that's awesome. Maybe a circle jerk for celebration?
     

    Boxcab

    MSI EM
    MDS Supporter
    Feb 22, 2007
    7,923
    AA County
    Just think how far a bullet would fall in 24 secs if dropped.

    It boggles the mind how much elevation was cranked into that shot.



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    I have ZERO experience in long range shooting. But wouldn't that record have already been beat with better shooters with more experience? Again I have zero experience in anything close to shooting that far out. I'm also interested from people that do. Long range shooting is definitely a science =)
    I am by no means an expert, but like to tinker with long distance shooting. I can tell you that at 1000yds, a deviation of just 20fps between rounds has a significant (>10") difference in where the bullet hits the target. At 4+ miles, it is a crap shoot at best.
    I stated above that: E.Shell, BrowningGuy and 4g64loser could chime in with professional insight. 4g64loser replied and I think he confirmed my skepticism of hitting a target once that far away.
    Hopefully 4g64loser or one of the other pros can elaborate.
     

    Waingro

    Active Member
    Apr 4, 2018
    586
    I am by no means an expert, but like to tinker with long distance shooting. I can tell you that at 1000yds, a deviation of just 20fps between rounds has a significant (>10") difference in where the bullet hits the target. At 4+ miles, it is a crap shoot at best.
    I stated above that: E.Shell, BrowningGuy and 4g64loser could chime in with professional insight. 4g64loser replied and I think he confirmed my skepticism of hitting a target once that far away.
    Hopefully 4g64loser or one of the other pros can elaborate.
    It's all good brother. I wasn't ripping on your post at all. I'm genuinely curious about shooting that long of a range. It boggles my mind. Even a thousand yards is way out of my wheel house
     
    It's all good brother. I wasn't ripping on your post at all. I'm genuinely curious about shooting that long of a range. It boggles my mind. Even a thousand yards is way out of my wheel house
    Join us sometime at Peacemaker Frontier Day- shooting to ~1100yds. Lots of folks far more knowledgeable than I to give advice.
    If you have a flat shooting rifle and decent scope, you'll have a blast. My first trip out I had a TC Compass in 6.5CM with a bipod and a 3-9x40 Vortex scope (<$500 all in) and was hitting a pizza box size steel target at 1000yds.
     

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