Maryland CCW Application via MDSP Portal

[Stoveman]

Like I said, wouldn't want you as a student. Arrogant know-it-alls are the worst.

Yes, they are.

 

[Lalez]

Yes, they are.

I mean I see both sides but Concealed Carry is not about who is “the most tactical”. If you think it is then I don’t know what to tell you.

There are 75+ year old women in Florida that I know that conceal carry daily. You think they are ready to run drills and pass Jakes class? F no.

Doesn’t mean they lose the right to carry though.

 

[adit]

I mean I see both sides but Concealed Carry is not about who is “the most tactical”. If you think it is then I don’t know what to tell you.

There are 75+ year old women in Florida that I know that conceal carry daily. You think they are ready to run drills and pass Jakes class? F no.

Doesn’t mean they lose the right to carry though.

This.

The 16 hours in MD is pure BS. Same as the 8 hours/100 shots in DE.

When do the 1A Free Speech and Voting classes start???

 

[Bullfrog]

Like I said, wouldn't want you as a student. Arrogant know-it-alls are the worst.

You appear to be very lacking in self-awareness.

 

[Bob A]

You appear to be very lacking in self-awareness.

Makes up for it in self-esteem, seemingly. Life is a balancing act, of sorts.

 

[Jake4U]

You appear to be very lacking in self-awareness.

Whatever.

 

[Jake4U]

Makes up for it in self-esteem, seemingly. Life is a balancing act, of sorts.

Unteachable students are a distraction to an instructor and generally a negative influence on other participants. A student who shows up with a "there's nothing you can teach me" attitude either intentionally or unwittingly diminishes the training of others. If nothing else, an experienced shooter could encourage those still learning, but that assumes a positive, helpful stance to a class. The OP didn't express that.

So , whatever....

 

[Worsley]

Submitted today, will keep the group updated...

please do.

 

[Lalez]

Unteachable students are a distraction to an instructor and generally a negative influence on other participants. A student who shows up with a "there's nothing you can teach me" attitude either intentionally or unwittingly diminishes the training of others. If nothing else, an experienced shooter could encourage those still learning, but that assumes a positive, helpful stance to a class. The OP didn't express that.

So , whatever....

Is your class setup so every citizen can exercise their right to carry? Do you have elderly people in your class 65+? If so how do you tailor your lesson to them?

These are things that if this 16 hour BS doesn’t go away, instructors will have to start doing because now everyone that is not a felon and can pass NICS will be able to carry, that’s what shall issue is. And here in FL ALOT of very elderly people carry, some on person IWB sure….but a lot of the elderly women purse or handbag carry. Not ideal but better than nothing.

I have a feeling the 16 hour class is going to have to be either severely cut in time say to 3-5 hours, or they are going to get sued into oblivion by someone.

 

[Jake4U]

Is your class setup so every citizen can exercise their right to carry? Do you have elderly people in your class 65+? If so how do you tailor your lesson to them?

These are things that if this 16 hour BS doesn’t go away, instructors will have to start doing because now everyone that is not a felon and can pass NICS will be able to carry, that’s what shall issue is. And here in FL ALOT of very elderly people carry, some on person IWB sure….but a lot of the elderly women purse or handbag carry. Not ideal but better than nothing.

I have a feeling the 16 hour class is going to have to be either severely cut in time say to 3-5 hours, or they are going to get sued into oblivion by someone.

This tread started because an "experienced" shooter whined that he'd be antagonistically bored because there was nothing he could learn in the required 16 hours. I doubt his assertion, but it's the atitude that's the problem.

And you're right, precisely because a tidal wave of likely less experienced shooters are headed to W&C classes I said I wouldn't want the OP in my class. He can show off his superior knowledge and demeanor elsewhere.

Maryland will not do away with the training requirement. I'm moving to South Carolina and will have to take their course including range qualification and there's no way getting around it. I figure I'll learn about SC law and I'll watch how an instructor teaches in that state. There's always more to learn even if it's to know how you wouldn't do it, though I think SC has a set curriculum.

Dropping the G&S is a win. More people trained to safely carry who also know the law is a win. I'll take both.

 

[Occam]

This tread started because an "experienced" shooter whined that he'd be antagonistically bored because there was nothing he could learn in the required 16 hours. I doubt his assertion, but it's the atitude that's the problem.

And you're right, precisely because a tidal wave of likely less experienced shooters are headed to W&C classes I said I wouldn't want the OP in my class. He can show off his superior knowledge and demeanor elsewhere.

You're completely misunderstanding/misrepresenting what he said. Like him, I know I will be bored stiff sitting in yet another MD class for my renewal. Because I'm an intellectually curious person who already goes to a lot of trouble to inform myself about all manner of things in this orbit, and have sat through the canned presentations and discussions now for many, many hours. Not looking forward to paying hundreds of dollars to do it yet again, no matter which different video or fresh new anecdote a given instructor uses to convey the same information.

Stoveman didn't say a THING about "showing off his superior knowledge," he said it would take an appearance from a notable figure in the industry to make those long hours notable to someone who's been around (and around, and around) this block. He's right.

Sure, there's merit in spending time talking with other people and sharing their experiences. Most of us who've been carrying and gathering to shoot ALREADY DO THAT and have far more hours invested in doing so that the mandatory class can provide - even if the entirety of the class was set aside for actual discussion instead of the usual remedial material.

If you're going to say the he, or I, wouldn't be bored while spending a day in that remedial environment, give a hint as to what NEW insights and information you're uniquely situated to provide. Amaze me. Surprise us. Otherwise, don't scold about people correctly stating that yet another lengthy visit to the same material won't be expensively boring. Because it will be, your salesmanship not withstanding. You cannot run a class that properly takes care of the noobs and not simultaneously anesthetize people who are already encyclopedic about related Maryland law and who have untold thousands of hours of carrying and shooting and instructing under (or on) their belts. You're mistaking simply stating that fact with hostility towards YOU. It's hostility towards the requirement, and the expression of an honest statement that you telling us it'll be interesting and time well spent is, frankly, just not plausible.

 

[dblas]

It's incredible how expensive this process is when you add up the application fee, fingerprints, training requirement. Good argument to be made that these fees are requirements are similar to poll taxes back in the day. Discriminatory against lower income residents for sure.

The application fee, yes.
But what private businesses charge for their services (training, finger prints), no.

 

[dblas]

Next lawsuit…

A lawsuit for a business charging for their services?
Or a lawsuit for requiring the training?

 

[dblas]

Exactly.. elites (ppl with money) won't have problem with fees . Majority peasants does

There is a difference between fees (application) and services provided by a business (training).

 

[Jake4U]

You're completely misunderstanding/misrepresenting what he said. Like him, I know I will be bored stiff sitting in yet another MD class for my renewal. Because I'm an intellectually curious person who already goes to a lot of trouble to inform myself about all manner of things in this orbit, and have sat through the canned presentations and discussions now for many, many hours. Not looking forward to paying hundreds of dollars to do it yet again, no matter which different video or fresh new anecdote a given instructor uses to convey the same information.

Stoveman didn't say a THING about "showing off his superior knowledge," he said it would take an appearance from a notable figure in the industry to make those long hours notable to someone who's been around (and around, and around) this block. He's right.

Sure, there's merit in spending time talking with other people and sharing their experiences. Most of us who've been carrying and gathering to shoot ALREADY DO THAT and have far more hours invested in doing so that the mandatory class can provide - even if the entirety of the class was set aside for actual discussion instead of the usual remedial material.

If you're going to say the he, or I, wouldn't be bored while spending a day in that remedial environment, give a hint as to what NEW insights and information you're uniquely situated to provide. Amaze me. Surprise us. Otherwise, don't scold about people correctly stating that yet another lengthy visit to the same material won't be expensively boring. Because it will be, your salesmanship not withstanding. You cannot run a class that properly takes care of the noobs and not simultaneously anesthetize people who are already encyclopedic about related Maryland law and who have untold thousands of hours of carrying and shooting and instructing under (or on) their belts. You're mistaking simply stating that fact with hostility towards YOU. It's hostility towards the requirement, and the expression of an honest statement that you telling us it'll be interesting and time well spent is, frankly, just not plausible.

Then lessons learned all around. I shouldn't extrapolate from prior experiences and the OP maybe learned how people hear him who don't know him.

 

[AssMan]

Do I need to be a MD resident to get a MD permit? Anyone know? I don’t recall MD doing non-res and there’s no reciprocity.


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[DC-W]

Do I need to be a MD resident to get a MD permit? Anyone know? I don’t recall MD doing non-res and there’s no reciprocity.


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MD does not require applicants to be residents. Previously, they did want non-residents to establish a “nexus” with the state, like doing business here, for example. Now that’s moot.

 

[P-12 Norm]

I wonder if MD will change their reciprocity to other states permits now?

 

[platoonDaddy]

If you are honorably discharged, you only need a DD214.

Or NGB22

Not sure of DD256

 

[mikem623]

A lawsuit for a business charging for their services?
Or a lawsuit for requiring the training?

It may come down to his: since the State requires the training, it should be provided at no cost by the state