Patriot Picket Civil Rights Suit FILED!

[RoadDawg]

Nevertheless, it is constantly thrown up as a defense, and supported u to the last possible stage of appeal, by those such as our own Brian Frosh, who fights for Sgt Pope's qualified immunity in his arrest and detention of the Hulberts in Annapolis.

It costs years and tens of thousands of dollars to fight something that "does not exist" as you're forced to prove its non-existence.

Our criminal Justice system uses its power often to crush the innocent under the burden of the force of law mis-applied.

Here's an interesting case of civil forfeiture, where sheriff's deputies took $1,100,000 from armorded cars moving legally obtained funds from a licensed marijuana facility in CA. Eventually a judge determined the seizures to be outside the law. Civil forfeiture is a parody and an abuse.

https://reason.com/2022/05/09/sheri...-saying-his-deputies-are-not-highway-robbers/

Please show me any legitimate rule or reason which escapes the illegitimate use of those who attempt to hide their illegal actions? If we repealed every law or rule which was used by evil persons in defense of themselves... we would not have any laws or rules left.

Frosh etal., may attempt to legitimize their illegitimate actions by the use of current laws, rules and or statutes. However, THEIR illegitimate application of those things does not make the thing illegitimate. If that were the case... guns could be justifiably banned because just one gun was used to murder. Satan used actual scripture in his attempt to temp Christ. What makes anyone think that evil people would not use legitimate things in their attempts to assume power over us?

 

[Adolph Oliver Bush]

And then there is this. I recognize some of the Maryland Capitol Police's finest in this video. Looks like the police STILL do not like being filmed!

 

[babalou]

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There's no way to ask this without sounding like an ass, so I'll just ask; are you black?

These sound like DWB.

Or you have just had incredibly bad luck to get pulled over bay bad cops several times.

I'm a fat, ugly, white, Jew, and have never had altercations when pulled over.

I'm sorry to read about your horrible experiences.

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[Bob A]

Please show me any legitimate rule or reason which escapes the illegitimate use of those who attempt to hide their illegal actions? If we repealed every law or rule which was used by evil persons in defense of themselves... we would not have any laws or rules left.

Frosh etal., may attempt to legitimize their illegitimate actions by the use of current laws, rules and or statutes. However, THEIR illegitimate application of those things does not make the thing illegitimate. If that were the case... guns could be justifiably banned because just one gun was used to murder. Satan used actual scripture in his attempt to temp Christ. What makes anyone think that evil people would not use legitimate things in their attempts to assume power over us?

Well, apart from the expectation that the justice system would operate under the consideration that with great power comes great responsibility, the obvious corrupt use of civil forfeiture ought to be seen for what it is, an illegal taking under cover of law.

Beyond that, the abuse - or ignoring - of prosecutorial discretion is a symptom of the corruption of the legal system. It seems to go on and on at a pretty high rate, despite its being called out on a regular basis.

A system that needs to operate with the consent of the governed has morphed into a juggernaut, capable of and willing to crush opposition by means of its sheer massive power. One understands that some sort of system is necessary to cope with and protect society from evildoers, but when the system itself is operated by evildoers, it is incumbent on us to eschew defending the indefensible.

I recognise that I'm offering no solution. Certainly, though, the problem does exist.

 

[RoadDawg]

Civil Forfeiture of property and assets gained by criminal enterprise is a means of correcting two things.
1) It removes the profits from crimes committed from the criminal who committed those crimes.
2) When used correctly to finance the criminal investigations into other crimes against the people. The people who were, and those who would be victims, actually benefit in the reduction of crimes.

Such asset forfeiture should never be taken and applied to the general fund of ANY government office other than crime fighting efforts. Doing so actually encourages the politicians to become an interested party in the forfeiture. And THAT is the problem we are seeing now.

 

[Bob A]

Civil Forfeiture of property and assets gained by criminal enterprise is a means of correcting two things.
1) It removes the profits from crimes committed from the criminal who committed those crimes.
2) When used correctly to finance the criminal investigations into other crimes against the people. The people who were, and those who would be victims, actually benefit in the reduction of crimes.

Such asset forfeiture should never be taken and applied to the general fund of ANY government office other than crime fighting efforts. Doing so actually encourages the politicians to become an interested party in the forfeiture. And THAT is the problem we are seeing now.

Agreed. Sadly, institutional greed trumps fair public policy, over and over again.

It should also be avoided in seizure of peoples' homes by a locality in order to assist in building projects that will bring in increased tax revenue. (I think that was the underlying basis for tossing a Connecticut woman out of her house. I might be mistaken.)

 

[teratos]

Agreed. Sadly, institutional greed trumps fair public olicy, over and over again.

It should also be avoided in seizure of peoples' homes by a locality in order to assist in building projects that will bring in increased tax revenue. (I think that was the underlying basis for tossing a Connecticut woman out of her house. I might be mistaken.)

Yeah. I think the lady didn’t pay $400 in property taxes. Government took her home. Disgusting.

 

[RoadDawg]

Yeah. I think the lady didn’t pay $400 in property taxes. Government took her home. Disgusting.

Yes it is. But tax sale is another topic. Can’t be jailed in this country for debt… but you can be tossed into the street for unpaid property taxes.

 

[Stoveman]

And then there is this. I recognize some of the Maryland Capitol Police's finest in this video. Looks like the police STILL do not like being filmed!

Familiar faces indeed, Lt (now Capt) Labs (of not only the PP arrest but also the HPRB ID kerfuffle), Chief Wilson and sadly the K9 officer who eventually arrested this guy. There is a lot of truth to the narration at the end, there's something far more dangerous than evil men out there and that is good men who think that perceived authority trumps their own conscience.

 

[DC-W]

I’m so glad we got Timbs v. Indiana

Timbs v. Indiana - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Timbs succeeded in getting his wrongfully taken Land Rover back after further litigation.

Indiana Supreme Court: Confiscating Man’s Land Rover In 8-Year-Long Legal Battle Was “Overly Harsh”

“No one should have to spend eight years fighting the government just to get back their car.”

www.forbes.com

 

[teratos]

Familiar faces indeed, Lt (now Capt) Labs (of not only the PP arrest but also the HPRB ID kerfuffle), Chief Wilson and sadly the K9 officer who eventually arrested this guy. There is a lot of truth to the narration at the end, there's something far more dangerous than evil men out there and that is good men who think that perceived authority trumps their own conscience.

The narrator said “this is what a good cop looks like” regarding the arresting officer’s hesitation. I say his actions make him worse. He knew full well what he was doing was wrong, and not even questionably unconstitutional. A violation of his oath making him a traitor to the citizens he serves, the badge he hides behind, the uniform he wears, and the flag he salutes.

 

[Stoveman]

The narrator said “this is what a good cop looks like” regarding the arresting officer’s hesitation. I say his actions make him worse. He knew full well what he was doing was wrong, and not even questionably unconstitutional. A violation of his oath making him a traitor to the citizens he serves, the badge he hides behind, the uniform he wears, and the flag he salutes.

No question. He's the one that tried to shoo off Chief Wilson because he knew that Wilson was about to make an ass of himself (again) and still ended up doing what he was told.

 

[teratos]

No question. He's the one that tried to shoo off Chief Wilson because he knew that Wilson was about to make an ass of himself (again) and still ended up doing what he was told.

Just following orders. When In history did that ever go well?

 

[Bob A]

Yeah. I think the lady didn’t pay $400 in property taxes. Government took her home. Disgusting.

No, apparently it was Eminent Domain. There was no back tax issue. SCOTUS threw her under the bridge, thanks to the Liberal Wing.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-little-pink-house-15-years-later/

 

[dblas]

Speaking of the above video...Has anyone done a recent FOIA request on the number of calls the Capital Police have received and how many they have acted on, that are similar or exactly like what happened to the Hulberts?

 

[Stoveman]

Speaking of the above video...Has anyone done a recent FOIA request on the number of calls the Capital Police have received and how many they have acted on, that are similar or exactly like what happened to the Hulberts?

Specifically from Lt Gov Boyd Rutherford or just any esteemed muckety mucks?

 

[Rab1515]

Speaking of the above video...Has anyone done a recent FOIA request on the number of calls the Capital Police have received and how many they have acted on, that are similar or exactly like what happened to the Hulberts?

FOIA of video/audio is expensive. Reasonable fees and all that add up quick. Plus cops have been known to open investigations into themselves that somehow don't end, that way they can claim the recording is part of an investigation and can be with held from release. Why it's so important to your own recording, it's free, and doesn't manage to get "lost"

 

[adit]

FOIA of video/audio is expensive. Reasonable fees and all that add up quick. Plus cops have been known to open investigations into themselves that somehow don't end, that way they can claim the recording is part of an investigation and can be with held from release. Why it's so important to your own recording, it's free, and doesn't manage to get "lost"

It denies accusations of selected editing. It is evidence that the State produces, or doesn't, against itself.

FOIA of A/V is fairly simple these days (when it's not purposely made difficult). With cloud storage its easy to pass around video when necessary.

It used to be a PITA with CD/DVD ROMs and USB drives.

 

[dblas]

Specifically from Lt Gov Boyd Rutherford or just any esteemed muckety mucks?

All calls to have "X group" moved, by anyone.

If Capital Police is still violating others' 1st Amendment rights, that needs to be stopped.

 

[dblas]

FOIA of video/audio is expensive. Reasonable fees and all that add up quick. Plus cops have been known to open investigations into themselves that somehow don't end, that way they can claim the recording is part of an investigation and can be with held from release. Why it's so important to your own recording, it's free, and doesn't manage to get "lost"

Doesn't have to be audio or video, a simple list of the dates and time the requests came in and if they were acted on.

If they are still doing this, then it gets deeper. You can damn well bet these fuckers are still doing it, just not to PP. And they ned to be called on it by the other groups, and held accountable until it becomes not a regular way to do business.