MD Handgun Permit Holder Arrested

[Crazytrain]

So the law seems pretty clear, I guess. Kind of. Mostly.

It's also clear that it is a misdemeanor crime with a penalty of up to one year in prison, which I think makes it disqualifying to own a gun at all (or is it "more than a year?" My recollection is fuzzy here).

It isn't clear what "under the influence" means.

I'm not sure that having one beer should disqualify you from armed self defense. Most people don't get stupid on one, or even two beers. And bad people aren't likely to pass you by just because you had a drink or two.

If it is discretionary to an on scene officer, that means that the results can vary based on the belief system of the officer.

If it is tied to the driving limits (this seems pretty reasonable to me...if you can safely operate a multi-ton vehicle you should be able to safely manipulate a firearm), then that should be clearly stated.

Getting shit-faced is clearly a bad choice when armed. Probably not a good idea when not packing for that matter. Good things seldom come from benders. Forget gun safety. Now-a-days you wake up to find that hot chick you picked up closing time was really a dude in a dress.

 

[tall.guy88]

Yes, Marylanders can go back and forth to Virginia and West Virginia with impunity!

I was hoping WV would put up a wall to block off Maryland and Virginia honestly.

 

[Doctor_M]

Just a reminder, Alec Baldwin was sober.

Stupid, but sober. Drunk is only temporary, but stupid is forever.

 

[wolfdad]

Dumbass to the max. He can kiss his current and any future permits goodbye.

 

[Tebonski]

What is the law? One drop of alcohol in your blood prohibits carrying? Does an officer testify that he or she smelled an odor of alcoholic beverages coming from your breath sufficient to convict? Any case law we know about? Seems how lenient many Maryland judges are and how only important insider people can get exclusive CCW permits seems the judges would leave an out for their pals and political buddies.

 

[Rich1911]

I never understand when members on here say something to the effect of: "When I get pulled over for speeding the first thing I do is tell the nice officer that I have a permit and I am carrying".. Why take a chance on getting pulled over in the first place by speeding? It's 100% avoidable.

 

[Occam]

only important insider people can get exclusive CCW permits

Well, I've got one and I'm definitely not important. There are many thousands of people in Maryland with permits, and I'll go out on a limb and suggest that the majority of them are squarely in the culturally and politically Deplorable camp. Exactly the sort of Rebel Scum that MD politicians and politically ambitious prosecutors love to make miserable.

 

[camo556]

Well, I've got one and I'm definitely not important. There are many thousands of people in Maryland with permits, and I'll go out on a limb and suggest that the majority of them are squarely in the culturally and politically Deplorable camp. Exactly the sort of Rebel Scum that MD politicians and politically ambitious prosecutors love to make miserable.

Wow thousands. Thousands!!! We are the 0.5%

You realize that there are more registered republicans in Baltimore City than Maryland WC holders, right?

lmao. Thousands!

 

[Occam]

Wow thousands. Thousands!!! We are the 0.5%

You realize that there are more registered republicans in Baltimore City than Maryland WC holders, right?

lmao. Thousands!

The point is that there aren't thousands of specially connected elites who get handed permits. That entire notion, in this state, is absurd. Fiction. They shouldn't have to (with with relatively good luck this summer, will no longer have to), but anyone who wants a permit in Maryland can just start a small one-man sole proprietorship out of virtually any business activity at almost any scale, and have an unrestricted permit.

"Thousands" isn't a lot, but that's how many have bothered. It has nothing to do with political connections.

 

[camo556]

The point is that there aren't thousands of specially connected elites who get handed permits. That entire notion, in this state, is absurd. Fiction. They shouldn't have to (with with relatively good luck this summer, will no longer have to), but anyone who wants a permit in Maryland can just start a small one-man sole proprietorship out of virtually any business activity at almost any scale, and have an unrestricted permit.

"Thousands" isn't a lot, but that's how many have bothered. It has nothing to do with political connections.

lol, right. It's easy to get a permit. Just start a business.

With 2A friends like you who needs Bloomberg.

 

[Occam]

lol, right. It's easy to get a permit. Just start a business.

Just do a sole proprietorship. Change wiper blades or mow lawns. Sell socks on ebay. Doesn't matter.

With 2A friends like you who needs Bloomberg.

You have no idea about what I do, and where my money and efforts go on the 2A.

I'm not telling you what I like or how I think things ought to be, I'm telling you how things - for the moment - actually ARE. And what they aren't, is "only politically connected people get permits in Maryland." One of the reasons that countless more people in the state haven't bothered to jump through a few paperwork hoops for a permit is because they get scared off by people utterly misrepresenting what it takes. I'm not special, but I have a permit. You could too, with a little bit of effort. Or, wait, and hope that all the effort and cold hard cash a lot of us put into seeing Trump into the White House in 2016 pays off with the upcoming NY ruling.

 

[teratos]

Sleep it off in the passenger seat. Even when the car is off and you're in the driver seat, that's still being in control of the vehicle.

I should think I’m not in control of the vehicle, officer. I’m drunk, sound asleep, and still waiting for the hooker to being my change.

 

[PF Flyer]

And this thread reminds me that folks are capable of doing all kinds of stupid a** sh*t and reminds me of a story.

One day, I'm standing in the check in line at at an indoor gun range, three dudes walk in, walk past me, and from six feet away I could smell the weed smoke coming off of them . . . . So I check in, but I hang back before walking into the range area because I'm always up for a funny story and a good laugh, so I wanted to see how this one was going to play out. The three dudes make it to the counter, and say they want to rent a Glock with a crazy amount of ammo. The counter guy politely explained that he could not not rent them a firearm because they reeked of weed, and politely asked them to leave the premises. One of the three dudes then said something like "Well, OK, those two smoked before we came here, but I didn't, you can smell me, so how about if I just rent the Glock?" And the counter guy politely explained that because his two friends reeked of weed, he had to assume that the third dude was also under the influence. When the third self-professed weed-free dude pushed back and started talking about the Constitution, the counter guy politely said something like, look, one way or another you're going to leave, it's just a question of whether you do it alone or with a LEO escort. They left.

Sometimes you just can't fix stupid.

 

[rbird7282]

lol, right. It's easy to get a permit. Just start a business.

With 2A friends like you who needs Bloomberg.

Hate to break it to you but he's 100% correct and your last statement is a bunch of crap.

 

[camo556]

Just do a sole proprietorship. Change wiper blades or mow lawns. Sell socks on ebay. Doesn't matter.



You have no idea about what I do, and where my money and efforts go on the 2A.

I'm not telling you what I like or how I think things ought to be, I'm telling you how things - for the moment - actually ARE. And what they aren't, is "only politically connected people get permits in Maryland." One of the reasons that countless more people in the state haven't bothered to jump through a few paperwork hoops for a permit is because they get scared off by people utterly misrepresenting what it takes. I'm not special, but I have a permit. You could too, with a little bit of effort. Or, wait, and hope that all the effort and cold hard cash a lot of us put into seeing Trump into the White House in 2016 pays off with the upcoming NY ruling.

"Oh look judge we're not violating the 2A because everyone can get one just start a sole proprietorship." See how easy it is, just start a sole proprietorship!!!

A permit for everyone!!

whoo hooo!!

I call ********. If it were that "easy" literally everyone would have one. As it is, last I checked, 2/3 of the 0.5% of WC holders were LEO.

 

[rbird7282]

"Oh look judge we're not violating the 2A because everyone can get one just start a sole proprietorship." See how easy it is, just start a sole proprietorship!!!

A permit for everyone!!

whoo hooo!!

I call ********. If it were that "easy" literally everyone would have one. As it is, last I checked, 2/3 of the 0.5% of WC holders were LEO.

You can call ******** but you're wrong. If you have a verifiable legitimate business and provide the necessary documentation you will get a permit. Not all business owners want a permit and most of the ones that do have no idea that they can even get one. Things have changed in the last five years or so with regard to business permits, they used to be very restrictive as to when you could carry but now they are unrestricted.
Probably more than half the gun owners in this state don't even know all of the gun laws. I've met people who are gun owners that aren't even aware of the HQL requirement.
Problem is people have been told for decades that permits were unobtainable and for non business owners they mostly are but most people don't know that there's a pathway to get one.
Personally I'd like to see the MSP get their junk smacked and be forced to issue a permit to everyone that applies and can legally have one.

 

[Jimgoespewpew]

Thanks for making the rest of us look bad, dickhead. Enjoy the debt and/or jail time

 

[camo556]

You can call ******** but you're wrong. If you have a verifiable legitimate business and provide the necessary documentation you will get a permit.

Sure. Who needs NYSRPA vs Breun when the have the just start a sole proprietorship permit Oprahs here.

I mean I know that its the internet with bad advice everywhere. But I would not suggest anyone waste 2 days of your life and several hundred dollars.

 

[Occam]

Sure. Who needs NYSRPA vs Breun when the have the just start a sole proprietorship permit Oprahs here.

I mean I know that its the internet with bad advice everywhere. But I would not suggest anyone waste 2 days of your life and several hundred dollars.

What's your actual issue, here? People are telling you how things actually are. Anyone with a micro little side business in Maryland can get an unrestricted permit. It's been that way for a while now. That doesn't mean we have to like that that's how it is, but that's HOW IT IS.

The deep-blue state legislature isn't going to change it. The matter will only ever be changed through litigation, and that's in the pipeline. Great. Time will tell.

But in the meantime, here in reality, you can get yourself a permit by doing a tiny bit of online paperwork demonstrating that you make a little money in a side business. Period. That's it. You own that little business? You can get an unrestricted permit. If you want a permit, right now here in Maryland as it currently exists, that's what you do. Thousands and thousands of new permit holders have held their noses over the last few years and done the dance so they can carry. MSP policy now is: business owners get unrestricted permits. If you tuned into this over the last several years, you'd know that, and if you kept up here, you'd also know that it doesn't have to be anything fancy or involve much money.

And no, your notion of most permit holders being LEOs is nonsense.

 

[ADR]

I call ********. If it were that "easy" literally everyone would have one. As it is, last I checked, 2/3 of the 0.5% of WC holders were LEO.

Really, can you explain that claim because I'm LEO and don't have one nor do I need one. Who are these LEO's you claim are 2/3 of the total and more importantly, what is their actual duty status?