suppressor questions and opinions need

[leomort]

Hello! I posted in rimfire section about suppressor for 22lr. Decide to go with the Dead Air Mask at Engage Armament this November so now it's just a waiting game.


A couple of questions that I have from doing google searches (been going down the rabbit hole!)

I have a bolt action 223rem w/ wylde chamber that I was debating on whether to suppress. From google searches it seems there are opinions out there that it isn't worth suppressing rifles? That it's better to suppress only handguns.

What's your opinion on suppressing rifles? My 223 rem rifle has 22" barrel so adding the suppressor will add length and weight. So do I have the barrel cut down shorter and threaded? Leave barrel at it's current length and just have it threaded? How did you decide what to do?

I originally ordered the Dead Air Mask 22lr suppress for the Ruger 10/22 that has aftermarket barrel that's already thread for suppress. However, I also ordered Ruger Mk IV Target that's also thread for suppressor.

Is it stupid to order another 22lr suppressor for your other 22lr firearms? I thought it would nice to have dedicated suppressor for each 22lr firearm & maybe even try different brand to see which one you'd like? Any disadvantage of having multiple 22lr suppressor, other than cost and wait time?

Any mistakes that you made when you were new to suppressor that you'd be willing to share and what common mistakes to avoid or that you'd do over having the knowledge you have now?

Thank you for all your feedback, help and opinions!

Leo

 

[RRomig]

My competition rifles I use a good brake. The hunting rifles get suppressed. You obviously still hear the gun but I don’t like wearing hearing protection when I’m hunting. There’s opinions on both sides of the one can for many firearms or each firearm has its own. But those opinions are sometimes more around cost than effectiveness. If I suppress a firearm that can stays with that gun. Direct thread vs muzzle adapters is another personal choice. I have both. The biggest mistake I made with suppressors was not buying sooner. Have fun and good luck!

Also I’ve never had a desire to suppress a conventional pistol. Although I was looking to suppress a 22 auto.

 

[holesonpaper]

For the first question "suppress 223rem bolt" - a can will simply knock the edge off. It's unlikely to make hearing safe but will cut down on the gas expansion side of the noise. Personally I suppress my AR SBR because the difference is dramatic. The projectile will still be supersonic.

As for other rifles, I would leave what you have alone and pickup something else. 300BLK (subsonic) will make you giddy... That said, I personally find my groups tighten a bit when suppressing. Something probably to due with barrel harmonics. Many long range and precision shooters run cans.

And in general, most folks don't stop at one can. Ultimately what you do is up to you.

 

[woodline]

For the first question "suppress 223rem bolt" - a can will simply knock the edge off. It's unlikely to make hearing safe but will cut down on the gas expansion side of the noise. Personally I suppress my AR SBR because the difference is dramatic. The projectile will still be supersonic.

As for other rifles, I would leave what you have alone and pickup something else. 300BLK (subsonic) will make you giddy... That said, I personally find my groups tighten a bit when suppressing. Something probably to due with barrel harmonics. Many long range and precision shooters run cans.

And in general, most folks don't stop at one can. Ultimately what you do is up to you.

Bolt actions absolutely can be made hearing safe at shooters ear, even with supersonic rounds. It’s environmentally dependent (shooting in an enclosed building will probably not be hearing safe), but entirely doable.

OP: I suppress everything. The people who say only handguns are worth suppressing want a specific effect: to try to make their firearms sound like staple guns. There is nothing wrong with that, but sound suppressors can do a lot more than that. They moderate and redirect pressure from a small contained explosion. This is to your benefit. They also cut down on flash and noise pollution. They make shooting a significantly more pleasant experience.

Whether or not you suppress anything is up to you. I pretty much always shoot firearms chambered in centerfire rifle cartridges suppressed. Same for .22lr. Same for PCCs. I shoot handguns suppressed, but not that often. Adding a can onto a pistol makes it unwieldy, and then there is the fact that holsters for suppressed pistols are often impractical or at least inferior to normal holsters. To look at it another way, if adding a suppressor to a rifle made it difficult or annoying to use a sling, there would be a lot fewer suppressor customers. Then there is the sometimes unpredictable POI shift. Your sight picture is going to be obscured somewhat unless you use suppressor height sights (get ready for some weird holds, especially if you use an MOS system). Adding a red dot smoothes that issue out, and that is what I recommend.

For the vast majority of people, suppressed pistols are a fun toy, and there’s nothing wrong with that. But just be aware of the practical limitations.

 

[outrider58]

Bolt actions absolutely can be made hearing safe at shooters ear, even with supersonic rounds. It’s environmentally dependent (shooting in an enclosed building will probably not be hearing safe), but entirely doable.

OP: I suppress everything. The people who say only handguns are worth suppressing want a specific effect: to try to make their firearms sound like staple guns. There is nothing wrong with that, but sound suppressors can do a lot more than that. They moderate and redirect pressure from a small contained explosion. This is to your benefit. They also cut down on flash and noise pollution. They make shooting a significantly more pleasant experience.

Whether or not you suppress anything is up to you. I pretty much always shoot firearms chambered in centerfire rifle cartridges suppressed. Same for .22lr. Same for PCCs. I shoot handguns suppressed, but not that often. Adding a can onto a pistol makes it unwieldy, and then there is the fact that holsters for suppressed pistols are often impractical or at least inferior to normal holsters. To look at it another way, if adding a suppressor to a rifle made it difficult or annoying to use a sling, there would be a lot fewer suppressor customers. Then there is the sometimes unpredictable POI shift. Your sight picture is going to be obscured somewhat unless you use suppressor height sights (get ready for some weird holds, especially if you use an MOS system). Adding a red dot smoothes that issue out, and that is what I recommend.

For the vast majority of people, suppressed pistols are a fun toy, and there’s nothing wrong with that. But just be aware of the practical limitations.

I could not agree more (did I say that right?).

Suppress everything you can.

Though I have a few pistols with threaded barrels and suppressor height sights, the only handgun I suppress is my .22 Glockish which is silly fun to shoot.
All my other modern rifles and SBRs are suppressed.

 

[camo556]

I supress everything I can. I literally got thanked at an indoor range for using a supressor. I hunt with it when I can. I chose a short supressor for my 556 rifle, it's just enough to make it comfortable to shoot. Whenever ppl shoot my rifles they like it so much more without the blast and concussion. Imagine being the ******* with the ******* brake, lol.

Bolt actions will be quieter than my AR suppressed because there is no action noise.

Just dooooo it.

 

[teratos]

I supress everything I can. I literally got thanked at an indoor range for using a supressor. I hunt with it when I can. I chose a short supressor for my 556 rifle, it's just enough to make it comfortable to shoot. Whenever ppl shoot my rifles they like it so much more without the blast and concussion. Imagine being the ******* with the ******* brake, lol.

Bolt actions will be quieter than my AR suppressed because there is no action noise.

Just dooooo it.

Yep. .300 BLK in a bolt gun is silly

 

[Pale Ryder]

Yep. .300 BLK in a bolt gun is silly

Not if your goal is to shoot supers at fairly short range for deer size game. Similar to a 30/30 in range with better BC and accuracy.

I get the appeal to some for suppressors, just not my cup of joe.

 

[camo556]

Not if your goal is to shoot supers at fairly short range for deer size game. Similar to a 30/30 in range with better BC and accuracy.

I get the appeal to some for suppressors, just not my cup of joe.

None of my supressors compromise accuracy.

Here is the suppressed AR I use for deer sized game. The two loudest things are the bolt in the buffer tube and the deer hitting the dirt.

 

[camo556]

Just to put some numbers out there. A 223/556 16" rifle unsuppressed is about 160-165 dbs. Suppressed, with the one of the shortest cans on the market (YHM turbo K, 5"), it's 135-140. The difference is mild discomfort at worst, vs tinnitus.

 

[Pale Ryder]

None of my supressors compromise accuracy.

Here is the suppressed AR I use for deer sized game. The two loudest things are the bolt in the buffer tube and the deer hitting the dirt.

Didn’t say suppressors were inaccurate. I meant the 300 BO from a bolt action is a bit more accurate than the 30/30 lever across their range.

 

[woodline]

I think everyone is saying they like .300 blk and one or two posts were misinterpreted.

 

[leomort]

Wow! Thank you to everyone who has replied! I did not expect so my replies so soon! I was impress that even the shortest Yankee Hill suppress help reduce the noise that much!

Regarding the two bolts actions rifles I'm considering suppressing, the CZ 22lr and CZ 223rem, would consider shortening the barrel and then having them threaded? If so, what barrel length for each one?

Or just leave barrel length the same and just have them threaded?

 

[teratos]

Wow! Thank you to everyone who has replied! I did not expect so my replies so soon! I was impress that even the shortest Yankee Hill suppress help reduce the noise that much!

Regarding the two bolts actions rifles I'm considering suppressing, the CZ 22lr and CZ 223rem, would consider shortening the barrel and then having them threaded? If so, what barrel length for each one?

Or just leave barrel length the same and just have them threaded?

Leave the barrel length, unless you really want a 16 or 18” barrel with the suppressor on.

 

[camo556]

So "Get a whole new gun with threaded barrel because I am a hard working American and I deserve it" is not a choice?

 

[RRomig]

I have a griffin and others might offer this also but part of the suppressor body is around the barrel. So I don’t remember the exact numbers but it’s something like 8” long but only adds 5” to the overall length. Usually not a big deal but it’s on a 20” barrel 6.5 creedmoor so I really needed performance in a small package. I would not give up any barrel length.

 

[woodline]

I have a griffin and others might offer this also but part of the suppressor body is around the barrel. So I don’t remember the exact numbers but it’s something like 8” long but only adds 5” to the overall length. Usually not a big deal but it’s on a 20” barrel 6.5 creedmoor so I really needed performance in a small package. I would not give up any barrel length.

Sadly Griffin discontinued the RSTA. There might still be some floating around. The most recent reflex style suppressor I’ve seen getting press is the AB Raptor:
https://www.absuppressor.com/rifle

Otter Creek Labs makes a lighter weight Ops Inc 12th model / AEM5 clone if OP can make that work with his barrel:
https://ottercreeklabs.com/product/ocm5/

 

[leomort]

ok. looks like consensus is not to shorten the barrel lengths.

btw, I'm southpaw so manufactures don't give us a lot of love in regards to selection of firearms.

 

[leomort]

Next question, do you guys have multiple 22lr suppressors? If so did get a different one or the same one?

 

[woodline]

Most .22lr suppressors are good. Especially on a rifle. In my opinion get something that meets the weight/length parameters you’re looking for. Personally I think the Energetic Armament Nyx Mod 2 is the best “I don’t know exactly what I want” .22 suppressor.