NYC CCW case is at SCOTUS!

[rbird7282]

The state of Maryland needs to, if NYSRPA wins relegate the issuing authority down to the sheriff's office. Won't happen but that is what they should do.

Nobody

That would be nice but in a county like Howard or Montgomery you’d have to deal with the local PD instead


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[Nobody]

That would be nice but in a county like Howard or Montgomery you’d have to deal with the local PD instead


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Howard and Montgomery don't have Sheriff offices?

You learn new every day

Nobody

 

[MJD438]

Howard and Montgomery don't have Sheriff offices?



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Nobody

They both do have Sheriffs and associated deputies. They have, like most other Sheriffs departments in the state, a mix of deputies on the enforcement/patrol side and those on the corrections/court side.

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[lazarus]

They both do have Sheriffs and associated deputies. They have, like most other Sheriffs departments in the state, a mix of deputies on the enforcement/patrol side and those on the corrections/court side.

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In both, the Sheriff is generally in charge of landlord/tenant law enforcement and the jail/court security. General law enforcement is the responsibility of the police department. So generally the chief law enforcement officer in both is consider the chief of police, not the Sheriff. No way SCOTUS just says "county sheriffs determine permits". It would require a state law delegating the authority to sheriffs.

I don't particularly care who issues permits, state or local level. But either way, it needs to be shall issue, and ideally recognize permits from other states.

 

[Fedora]

I don't particularly care who issues permits, state or local level. But either way, it needs to be shall issue, and ideally recognize permits from other states.

This.

If the 2A applies nationwide, it seems reasonable that state requirements should be (reasonably) uniform. Thus, any LTC from any state, regardless of residence, would be recognized.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

This.

If the 2A applies nationwide, it seems reasonable that state requirements should be (reasonably) uniform. Thus, any LTC from any state, regardless of residence, would be recognized.

That would be great, and maybe the Justices will say something in their opinion to force the issue of national reciprocity. But I highly doubt it.

I am aware of several suits waiting to get filed AFTER SCOTUS issues their opinion to challenge the various states on reciprocity. Several as in filing in multiple different circuit court areas. Against the worst of the States that refuse to accept any form of reciprocity, such as Hawaii, California, Illinois, Maryland, New York, New Jersey, washington D.c. and Massachusetts

 

[press1280]

That would be great, and maybe the Justices will say something in their opinion to force the issue of national reciprocity. But I highly doubt it.

I am aware of several suits waiting to get filed AFTER SCOTUS issues their opinion to challenge the various states on reciprocity. Several as in filing in multiple different circuit court areas. Against the worst of the States that refuse to accept any form of reciprocity, such as Hawaii, California, Illinois, Maryland, New York, New Jersey, washington D.c. and Massachusetts

They are suing over reciprocity or just those states that won't issue permits to non residents (which would only be CA, NY, HI, and IL for 46 states)?

 

[press1280]

The state of Maryland needs to, if NYSRPA wins relegate the issuing authority down to the sheriff's office. Won't happen but that is what they should do.

Nobody

How come? What would we gain by that?

Some counties like Garrett may gain, others like PG and Montgomery may lose.

 

[rbird7282]

Howard and Montgomery don't have Sheriff offices?

You learn new every day

Nobody

Yes they do but they are not the primary law enforcement for those counties


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[Mark75H]

He's walking away before his world crumbles to the ground.

The question is, who will try to pick up the torch and run with it?

I've heard that Katie and sweet Anthony are both interested


There is no requirement that states be consistent with anything allowed by the Constitution; it doesn't matter how logical, convenient, or nice it would be.

 

[TheBert]

From what I heard we have Roberts

6-3 we win

If Roberts is on the winning side in the decision then he gets to decide who on the winning side will write the winning decision. The last thing we need is Roberts fuzzy-ing up the decision with some twisted Obama Care logic about the 2A outside the home.

 

[Mark75H]

That would be great, and maybe the Justices will say something in their opinion to force the issue of national reciprocity. But I highly doubt it.

I am aware of several suits waiting to get filed AFTER SCOTUS issues their opinion to challenge the various states on reciprocity. Several as in filing in multiple different circuit court areas. Against the worst of the States that refuse to accept any form of reciprocity, such as Hawaii, California, Illinois, Maryland, New York, New Jersey, washington D.c. and Massachusetts

Reciprocity is not within the scope of the case before the court. There will be nothing relating to it, there is no maybe.

 

[teratos]

Reciprocity is not within the scope of the case before the court. There will be nothing relating to it, there is no maybe.

However, establishing carry outside the home as a right all Americans enjoy will not allow much wiggle room for the States, will it?

 

[Mark75H]

However, establishing carry outside the home as a right all Americans enjoy will not allow much wiggle room for the States, will it?

MD, CA, NJ: "Hold my beer"

 

[teratos]

MD, CA, NJ: "Hold my beer"

Lol. I know. They should get smacked down in short order.

 

[clandestine]

At least States like MA, MD, CT, NJ, RI and Washington D.C. issue Non Resident Permits.

States like NY, CA, CO, and HI don't.

IL and OR have stupid laws that only allow residents from certain States to apply for a non resident permit.

Beyond the whole "cause" BS, where you live effects what permits you can acquire.

 

[lazarus]

However, establishing carry outside the home as a right all Americans enjoy will not allow much wiggle room for the States, will it?

It might. However, I think there is a strong legal argument that the current SCOTUS could buy, that if permits must be shall issue. Then other states need to recognize other states permits. That was part of Obergfell. Other states recognize other states marriage and driver’s licenses.

The best you can maybe say is an argument that similar requirements could be required to make the states permits/licenses equivalent.

So it might be possible MD could dodge it by saying “well, WV is constitutional carry, so there is nothing to recognize”

Or “well your state just requires a background check and a permit fee we require training. So we won’t recognize your permit”.

That would likely be some place like MD’s best chance of fending it off, is to accept permits from other states that are “as stringent”.

 

[TheBert]

Thomas has a reputation for quick opinions. Heck he peobably already had it written he just needed to pull it from the shared drive and do minor edits.

I am booking my CCW training now.

Why do we need training and why do we need a permission slip from the state to exercise our 2A rights? I don't need permission from the state to exercise my 1A rights let alone a permission slip that says what I can do, when I can do it and how I can do it.

 

[TheBert]

Oh I'm sure he's probably thinking about some way they can make the permit process more onerous than it is now, even putting G & S aside.
The MSP might welcome the decision as there really wouldn't be a need for interviews and the permit review board would likely also not be needed. All they would need is some desk clerks to simply process applications and mail out permits.

I am keeping an eye on Jamie "The Constitutional Law Expert, Gun Grabber, *******" Raskin when the decision comes out. If it is decided our way then I hope his head explodes.

 

[TheBert]

Howard and Montgomery don't have Sheriff offices?

You learn new every day

Nobody

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/sheriff/

https://www.howardcountymd.gov/sheriffs-office

Every county in the US has a sheriff, an elected official.