Senate Bill 737 - Register Your Long Guns With MSP

[BeoBill]

" I hate to say it but when they come to my house and ask for my firearms I will politely hand them over. I don't want my house damaged or my wife or dog harmed."

That strategy didn't work out too well in Nazi Germany. How is "an armed populace going to come together" and "effect change" if they are disarmed?

Closer to home in distance and time, look at the timeline for Venezuela:

• No gun registration.
• All guns to be registered.
• All guns confiscated by the military.
• Gun smuggling, gun running; calls for overthrow.
• Politicos flee or defect out of fear.
• ??

This is what Libs want? It may not turn out too well for them in the long run...

 

[randomuser]

Our side is data and proving that the proposed bills won’t actually make a difference.

You do have to believe that the people you present your data to:
1. believe your data and are willing to change their mind based on what you provide
2. are willing to change their opinion based on facts as opposed to emotions


Why does our side think that we can change their mind, but they can't change our mind?
The golden rule is about putting yourself in the shoes of someone else.

**nothing that any anti 2a person says can make me want to make another gun law (we already more than enought) and in fact, I feel that most of the gun laws should in fact be repealed!

So why do I feel that anything I say can change the mind of the person on the other side of the fence?



***am I defeated, no**
What we do have on our side that IMO wins our case is the 2nd amendment. It's already written down. No need to mess with it. We don't mess with the 1st amendment do we? No. So leave the 2nd amendment alone too.

***the only reason you have a first amendment or any other for that matter is because of the 2nd.

**the only reason you have a 2nd amendment is because people have a ton of guns and you cant take that away on paper without having consequences.

**they talk the people "should not have weapons of war". That is exactly what the people should have.

**countries do the same thing. Countries keep nukes because others have them and it's one countries protection against another country making the threat of using a nuke.

**if only one country had nukes all the others would have to bow at any threat or risk being blown up with no defense and no retaliation.

**we are on a crazy cycle of growing the government and at some point in time there will be to many people collecting and not enough people paying for the system to work. How many more of your tax dollars will be needed to put into place the new laws and house the new criminals and process the new paperwork?

**What happens when the government wants to collect more in taxes than you are willing to pay? How do you stop them?

**at what point in collection of your money that you use your time to earn, at what point of collection is it slavery? if 10% is taken from you by gov is that slavery? if 40% of your time that you work is given to government is that slavery? At 60% of your time worked (you work 10 hours and give over 6 hours worth of pay to gov) is it slavery? or ...or...or is it 100% of your time worked that you give all of your earnings to gov, is that slavery?
>>point is at some % it becomes slavery and the only thing that can stop that is a population who can fight back.
more importantly, the fact that the population can fight back is all the more reason you don't have to pay 40,50,60, 90% of your money essentially working for free=slavery, you dont have to pay those high taxes because of your 2nd amendment.

I'm against these changes for more than just 1 reason. Government steps over their job description constantly and we have to pay for it in more ways than 1.

 

[IDFInfantry]

I plan to be down there with all of you on the 25th and 27th!

 

[jefflac02]

You do have to believe that the people you present your data to:

1. believe your data and are willing to change their mind based on what you provide

2. are willing to change their opinion based on facts as opposed to emotions





Why does our side think that we can change their mind, but they can't change our mind?

The golden rule is about putting yourself in the shoes of someone else.



**nothing that any anti 2a person says can make me want to make another gun law (we already more than enought) and in fact, I feel that most of the gun laws should in fact be repealed!



So why do I feel that anything I say can change the mind of the person on the other side of the fence?







***am I defeated, no**

What we do have on our side that IMO wins our case is the 2nd amendment. It's already written down. No need to mess with it. We don't mess with the 1st amendment do we? No. So leave the 2nd amendment alone too.



***the only reason you have a first amendment or any other for that matter is because of the 2nd.



**the only reason you have a 2nd amendment is because people have a ton of guns and you cant take that away on paper without having consequences.



**they talk the people "should not have weapons of war". That is exactly what the people should have.



**countries do the same thing. Countries keep nukes because others have them and it's one countries protection against another country making the threat of using a nuke.



**if only one country had nukes all the others would have to bow at any threat or risk being blown up with no defense and no retaliation.



**we are on a crazy cycle of growing the government and at some point in time there will be to many people collecting and not enough people paying for the system to work. How many more of your tax dollars will be needed to put into place the new laws and house the new criminals and process the new paperwork?



**What happens when the government wants to collect more in taxes than you are willing to pay? How do you stop them?



**at what point in collection of your money that you use your time to earn, at what point of collection is it slavery? if 10% is taken from you by gov is that slavery? if 40% of your time that you work is given to government is that slavery? At 60% of your time worked (you work 10 hours and give over 6 hours worth of pay to gov) is it slavery? or ...or...or is it 100% of your time worked that you give all of your earnings to gov, is that slavery?

>>point is at some % it becomes slavery and the only thing that can stop that is a population who can fight back.

more importantly, the fact that the population can fight back is all the more reason you don't have to pay 40,50,60, 90% of your money essentially working for free=slavery, you dont have to pay those high taxes because of your 2nd amendment.



I'm against these changes for more than just 1 reason. Government steps over their job description constantly and we have to pay for it in more ways than 1.

All very good points and I agree. I was just looking to further the action aspect of what do we do now to stop it before they can pass this and any other 2A violation.

I know they don’t care. They have an agenda and feel they are supported without opposition. I am the opposition. And others on here are too. Trying to help facilitate the organization. As much as I can.


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[fidelity]

Is the general public as informed, less informed, or more informed today as compared to 2013? With social media, I would think that in general, people should be more informed. Now I’m not on facebook, only twitter, so I don’t have the pulse of how well info is being pushed on our behalf.
...

Currently less informed. The 2013 legislation was a signature effort by O'Malley and got a lot of press coverage (in some ways, he may have been ahead of the Democratic party as that sort of attention to gun control may be a bigger issue in that party's Presidential primary now). As an astute MDS poster ("scjames" something, iirc) pointed out in this thread or related one, there's been almost no local media coverage of this pending legislation as yet, even though it has the potential to affect more people given the larger ownership of long guns among the populace.

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[smkranz]

Posted by Sen. Justin Ready (District 5 Carroll County) on his FB account a half hour ago. And a few days ago he posted a pro-2A FB live video. At least he is one who we don't have to pester with emails and calls begging him not to sell us out.

 

[SCV/SAR Patriot]

Posted by Sen. Justin Ready (District 5 Carroll County) on his FB account a half hour ago. And a few days ago he posted a pro-2A FB live video. At least he is one who we don't have to pester with emails and calls begging him not to sell us out.

I wouldn’t be too sure about that. He’s owned by Hogan. There’s an audio my wife has somewhere from last session when they were debating the bump stock bill and he said the “opposition” was trying to make Hogan look bad and if he was governor he would sign the law too but yes he did vote against it in the end.

 

[TexDefender]

I wouldn’t be too sure about that. He’s owned by Hogan. There’s an audio my wife has somewhere from last session when they were debating the bump stock bill and he said the “opposition” was trying to make Hogan look bad and if he was governor he would sign the law too but yes he did vote against it in the end.

Dang you are ever depressing. You constantly make it sound like we should throw in the towel.

 

[SCV/SAR Patriot]

Dang you are ever depressing. You constantly make it sound like we should throw in the towel.

Just giving the truth, sometimes the truth is a hard pill to swallow.


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[Odarlin1]

Nope not throw in the towel. But get more forceful and pay more attention to the votes - I listened to him on the Senate Floor last session. It was late about 10:30 pm or so. I guess he thought no one would be up listening. I have the audio downloaded I just don't know how to post it here. But here is what he said "I'm ok with banning bump stocks. I have no issue with it..." and then he goes into if he was Governor, he would sign it, too. He then back peddles and starts talking about gun owners being the "salt of the earth" people. BRAVO Senator~!! In other words, after the 2A community got loud about this bill he, like many others, changed their votes. But with Ready he first gave an apology to the gun grabbers for his Nay vote. He's a traitor.

 

[teratos]

Dang you are ever depressing. You constantly make it sound like we should throw in the towel.

You only throw in the towel if you don't see the fight to the end. This is just the beginning.

 

[mpollan1]

Another insomnia induced thought. It has unfortunately been a while since I did any game hunting but I do remember having to report any deer I harvested. So, say I legally harvested a deer with my rifle or shotgun and as a law abiding, licensed and responsible hunter I reported said harvest which occurred during rifle/shotgun season. I because of ignorance did not register said rifle or shotgun. Pretty damn easy to correlate DNR ID to an individual. But, but you say, I borrowed that gun. Borrowed it you say you say. Well we got that covered too. Holy shite!

 

[zoostation]

One thing we do know is that Grandmoms Demand Appetizers and other anti-freedom groups are busy monitoring this forum and are likely participating in discussions like this. Please be aware and ready to report suspected trolls who come here just to cause trouble, make us look bad, or make posts to try and alienate the politicians who support us.

 

[fidelity]

Another insomnia induced thought. It has unfortunately been a while since I did any game hunting but I do remember having to report any deer I harvested. So, say I legally harvested a deer with my rifle or shotgun and as a law abiding, licensed and responsible hunter I reported said harvest which occurred during rifle/shotgun season. I because of ignorance did not register said rifle or shotgun. Pretty damn easy to correlate DNR ID to an individual. But, but you say, I borrowed that gun. Borrowed it you say you say. Well we got that covered too. Holy shite!

I might have missed it, but I don't think there's an attempt to register already owned long guns. If there is, good luck with that. I can't remember how many FTF long gun transfers that I've been involved with for which there's no papertrail (although one had no reason to believe that the recipient shouldn't be allowed to own a MD legal long gun).

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[ironpony]

One thing we do know is that Grandmoms Demand Appetizers and other anti-freedom groups are busy monitoring this forum and are likely participating in discussions like this. Please be aware and ready to report suspected trolls who come here just to cause trouble, make us look bad, or make posts to try and alienate the politicians who support us.

You are correct, they have several private discussion boards that have been passed to me, tough to join but I am in on two. Fight club rules after this post. zaida ya kuja

 

[herkybird72]

Thank god, I moved to NC. I don't have to worry about this. My worry is what my next gun purchase will be. Even after all the gun control they've already passed the Democrat bastards just don't stop.

Not so true. Just look at what the Dumbocrats are proposing in the NC state house. It can go downhill quickly.

 

[Odarlin1]

I might have missed it, but I don't think there's an attempt to register already owned long guns. If there is, good luck with that. I can't remember how many FTF long gun transfers that I've been involved with for which there's no papertrail (although one had no reason to believe that the recipient shouldn't be allowed to own a MD legal long gun).

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Not yet!

 

[IDFInfantry]

Remember folks registration leads to confiscation throughout history! Period!
Don't think this scenario will happen in Maryland?? Think again!!
I'm going to keep my comments to myself on what I personally think should happen to the traitors seen in this video!!

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[mpollan1]

Zoostation: If I came off as a troll, I do apologize. Certainly not my intent. Please feel free to shoot me a PM if you feel this warrants further discussion.

Fidelity: It appears that it is I that misunderstood long gun registration in its current iteration. That said, the left is an extremely patient group. To quote (and agree with) Odarlin, "Not yet"

Mark

 

[Schipperke]

Was talking with Bob at Gunrunners who made a good point. The MD State Police would need a huge increase in staffing that deal with 77R type paperwork if all long gun sales and transfers are run through gunstores and would require the same level of background check that handguns do. Maybe 4-5 times the resources that they currently have. Obviously if the LGQL is pushed through, that would slow things down initially in terms of long gun purchasing, and there might first be a delay in getting LGQLs to folks.

Personally, I don't think the LGQL will fly given the redundancy in many respects to the HQL and just the higher level of anger from hunters, gun owning Democrats, and others than the HQL initially engendered.

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