HPRB still in effect?

[sports89man7]

i just think the whole thing is pointless to be honest. i don't see the point of why you need to carry a gun with you everywhere you go. i can see people carrying if they were in Baltimore city. but cmon guys lets be real here you want to spend all that time and money fighting the system which is going to beat you every time. . i have a wear and carry permit with restrictions on it. i used to be an armed security guard. i don't see the point of going through all that redtape to get an unrestricted permit. am i going to sit there and waste my time and money arguing with a board on my 2nd amendment rights? NOPE. having watched the testimony and hearing people say that they need a permit because "ISIS is out to get them" is almost laughable. you don't need a gun to carry with you to the grocery store. unless you are in a high crime area you need a ccw. there are alternatives like tasers and pepper spray. like i said before you label me as a troll i am a Maryland state gun collector, a member of the NRA, and a combat vet.

 

[JamesCanby]

i just think the whole thing is pointless to be honest. i don't see the point of why you need to carry a gun with you everywhere you go. i can see people carrying if they were in Baltimore city. but cmon guys lets be real here you want to spend all that time and money fighting the system which is going to beat you every time. . i have a wear and carry permit with restrictions on it. i used to be an armed security guard. i don't see the point of going through all that redtape to get an unrestricted permit. am i going to sit there and waste my time and money arguing with a board on my 2nd amendment rights? NOPE. having watched the testimony and hearing people say that they need a permit because "ISIS is out to get them" is almost laughable. you don't need a gun to carry with you to the grocery store. unless you are in a high crime area you need a ccw. there are alternatives like tasers and pepper spray. like i said before you label me as a troll i am a Maryland state gun collector, a member of the NRA, and a combat vet.

You certainly have the right to carry (with the state's permission slip) or not carry "everywhere you go." Being armed for the possibility of a self-defense situation that requires deadly force just seems prudent, given that no one can know when or where that situation may occur. Every area is a "crime area," it's just that some have higher rates of crime than others.

"Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it."

As a Northern Virginia resident that travels regularly into Maryland and DC, it concerns me that I have to disarm myself -- and sanitize my car -- whenever I cross the river into either jurisdiction.

 

[Applehd]

...

OK... I'll bite... what your are, in essence, saying is... you have walked a mile in everyone else's shoes... and they are all the same?


...ad thank you for your service to our country.

 

[Schipperke]

i just think the whole thing is pointless to be honest. i don't see the point of why you need to carry a gun with you everywhere you go. i can see people carrying if they were in Baltimore city. but cmon guys lets be real here you want to spend all that time and money fighting the system which is going to beat you every time. . i have a wear and carry permit with restrictions on it. i used to be an armed security guard. i don't see the point of going through all that redtape to get an unrestricted permit. am i going to sit there and waste my time and money arguing with a board on my 2nd amendment rights? NOPE. having watched the testimony and hearing people say that they need a permit because "ISIS is out to get them" is almost laughable. you don't need a gun to carry with you to the grocery store. unless you are in a high crime area you need a ccw. there are alternatives like tasers and pepper spray. like i said before you label me as a troll i am a Maryland state gun collector, a member of the NRA, and a combat vet.

Fixed it.

My issue is the right to carry when I choose. I have some friends that carry all the time, it becomes no different than schlepping a cell phone perhaps. I live in a low violent crime area, pretty much unheard of. The probability is near zero, but always a possibility. Our state requires me to wear a seat belt on 25mph lightly traveled residential roads. I see carrying something for self defense could be analogous, cause you never know. I'm sure people that carry have been near killed or killed because they assumed they didn't need to carry "this time". Friends and I were at Waffle House yesterday 8am, and the place wasn't half full. We typically have to wait. Friend was thinking it was because of the out of town incident, no one saw that coming.

 

[RepublicOfFranklin]

I mean c’mon guys, I’m not a troll, but do you really need to use free speech everywhere you go? What’s the point of going through all the red tape just to get an unrestricted permit to use your free speech wherever you go?

I used to have a permit when I worked customer service so I understand there are areas you would need the ability to express your own thoughts, but do you seriously need to formulate your own ideas when you’re in a grocery store?

When I’d sit in on the hearings and hear excuses like “ isn’t free speech an inalienable right given to us by God and unable to be restrained by government” I’d laugh. Government is your only god.

I was once in talk radio so I know the responsibility that comes with carrying an opinion. Now that I’m out, I do what you all should do, leave my home without any way to express my opinions and if needed I’ll call the police and ask them what I should think.


Just wanted to extend our talk on rights a little further.


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[rseymorejr]

i just think the whole thing is pointless to be honest. i don't see the point of why you need to carry a gun with you everywhere you go. i can see people carrying if they were in Baltimore city. but cmon guys lets be real here you want to spend all that time and money fighting the system which is going to beat you every time. . i have a wear and carry permit with restrictions on it. i used to be an armed security guard. i don't see the point of going through all that redtape to get an unrestricted permit. am i going to sit there and waste my time and money arguing with a board on my 2nd amendment rights? NOPE. having watched the testimony and hearing people say that they need a permit because "ISIS is out to get them" is almost laughable. you don't need a gun to carry with you to the grocery store. unless you are in a high crime area you need a ccw. there are alternatives like tasers and pepper spray. like i said before you label me as a troll i am a Maryland state gun collector, a member of the NRA, and a combat vet.

Do you wear a seat belt all the time? Or just when you think you're going to be in an accident?
Do you only plug in your smoke detectors when you think you will have a fire?
Do you only lock your door at night when you think you'll be burglarized?

People like you are what's wrong with this damned state

 

[welder516]

I'm happy the fellow saying he don't need to carry. It is apersonal choice and we each have that level to know what is right for us .

My biggest problem is I want to carry and no other human has a right to mandate my choices in a legal act. I don't want my Government to infringe on me or any man.

 

[welder516]

A huge problem with the system of CC in Maryland is we get approved and meet G&S and then they have another hurdle or level of G&S to have the restrictions removed. It is a joke.

 

[Sgt. Psycho]

I mean c’mon guys, I’m not a troll, but do you really need to use free speech everywhere you go? What’s the point of going through all the red tape just to get an unrestricted permit to use your free speech wherever you go?

I used to have a permit when I worked customer service so I understand there are areas you would need the ability to express your own thoughts, but do you seriously need to formulate your own ideas when you’re in a grocery store?

When I’d sit in on the hearings and hear excuses like “ isn’t free speech an inalienable right given to us by God and unable to be restrained by government” I’d laugh. Government is your only god.

I was once in talk radio so I know the responsibility that comes with carrying an opinion. Now that I’m out, I do what you all should do, leave my home without any way to express my opinions and if needed I’ll call the police and ask them what I should think.


Just wanted to extend our talk on rights a little further.


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You win 1000 Internets for this post!

 

[Stoveman]

ALJ to circuit appeal I do not believe is de novo. The Circuit Court is looking at the ALJ decision and opinion and that is what is on appeal, the record. ALJ, get great deference, and Circuit does not substitute it's reasoning of ALJ unless it is found obviously unreasonable or an error in law. Circuit upholding an ALJ is hardly smacking anything, it is fairly typical. The HPRB to ALJ, has been noted it is a do over. Two totally different appeals. If you get an overturn at HPRB, then MSP decides to take it to ALJ, and they then sustain MSP that is the decision appealed to Circuit. It will be upheld the vast majority of the time as ALJs are professionals applying the statutes, not laymen.

Surely AAG Bowen knows this, why then did they appeal the decision of the ALJ? Because they thought it was dead wrong and the Circuit Court didn't agree with them. Bowen thought that they would come out of Circuit Court with more ammunition to go after these obscure 50 year old cases AND cover their tracks for the mess they made with the vet's case. Yes, that is a smackdown in my book.

 

[Bob A]

i just think the whole thing is pointless to be honest. i don't see the point of why you need to carry a gun with you everywhere you go. i can see people carrying if they were in Baltimore city. but cmon guys lets be real here you want to spend all that time and money fighting the system which is going to beat you every time. . i have a wear and carry permit with restrictions on it. i used to be an armed security guard. i don't see the point of going through all that redtape to get an unrestricted permit. am i going to sit there and waste my time and money arguing with a board on my 2nd amendment rights? NOPE. having watched the testimony and hearing people say that they need a permit because "ISIS is out to get them" is almost laughable. you don't need a gun to carry with you to the grocery store. unless you are in a high crime area you need a ccw. there are alternatives like tasers and pepper spray. like i said before you label me as a troll i am a Maryland state gun collector, a member of the NRA, and a combat vet.

I don't see why you need a permit either. So why do you have one?

Fighting the system is pointless. "Arguing" to receive and retain a basic human right is a waste of time.

Avoiding high crime areas will guarantee that you will never encounter a mortal threat. So we are safe as long as we avoid Baltimore?

As a firearms collector, NRA member and combat vet, no doubt you're well versed in the general uselessness of firearms.

Now can I label you as a troll?

 

[ComeGet]

i just think the whole thing is pointless to be honest. i don't see the point of why you need to carry a gun with you everywhere you go. i can see people carrying if they were in Baltimore city. but cmon guys lets be real here you want to spend all that time and money fighting the system which is going to beat you every time. . i have a wear and carry permit with restrictions on it. i used to be an armed security guard. i don't see the point of going through all that redtape to get an unrestricted permit. am i going to sit there and waste my time and money arguing with a board on my 2nd amendment rights? NOPE. having watched the testimony and hearing people say that they need a permit because "ISIS is out to get them" is almost laughable. you don't need a gun to carry with you to the grocery store. unless you are in a high crime area you need a ccw. there are alternatives like tasers and pepper spray. like i said before you label me as a troll i am a Maryland state gun collector, a member of the NRA, and a combat vet.

You're welcome to treat CC anyway you want, but I completely disagree with you on this.

 

[eruby]

i just think the whole thing is pointless to be honest. i don't see the point of why you need to carry a gun with you everywhere you go. i can see people carrying if they were in Baltimore city. but cmon guys lets be real here you want to spend all that time and money fighting the system which is going to beat you every time. . i have a wear and carry permit with restrictions on it. i used to be an armed security guard. i don't see the point of going through all that redtape to get an unrestricted permit. am i going to sit there and waste my time and money arguing with a board on my 2nd amendment rights? NOPE. having watched the testimony and hearing people say that they need a permit because "ISIS is out to get them" is almost laughable. you don't need a gun to carry with you to the grocery store. unless you are in a high crime area you need a ccw. there are alternatives like tasers and pepper spray. like i said before you label me as a troll i am a Maryland state gun collector, a member of the NRA, and a combat vet.

"Oh reason not the need. Our basest beggars Are in the poorest thing superfluous."

Last time I asked you to post and introduction and establish your bona fides, you told me to go f&ck myself, and you got a one week ban. (link below)

https://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=5151071&postcount=29

I am asking again, your statement of "i am a Maryland state gun collector, a member of the NRA, and a combat vet", notwithstanding.

You do nothing to establish yourself as a true 2A advocate, and everything to establish yourself as a troll who wants to undermine any of our good efforts.

'On a bluff. On a bluff. There lived three billy goats gruff .......'

 

[welder516]

"Oh reason not the need. Our basest beggars Are in the poorest thing superfluous."

Last time I asked you to post and introduction and establish your bona fides, you told me to go f&ck myself, and you got a one week ban. (link below)

https://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=5151071&postcount=29

I am asking again, your statement of "i am a Maryland state gun collector, a member of the NRA, and a combat vet", notwithstanding.

You do nothing to establish yourself as a true 2A advocate, and everything to establish yourself as a troll who wants to undermine any of our good efforts.

'On a bluff. On a bluff. There lived three billy goats gruff .......'

I did not know this , he wants respect of the highest standards . And gives none .
Thank You Eruby for pointing this out .

 

[welder516]

I also want to point out to anyone that thinks a restricted permit is fair . If you own a business you could be a target from ex-employee's , it has happened many times and here in AA County where a Mom bar owner was stuffed in a trunk and robbed and killed from people that knew of her having cash (money)
And I travel with family and sometimes stop and look at work on weekends while we are out doing family things , I also am doing business by phone during family time and could get that call to stop somewhere . This business we are trained and able to carry 8 hrs. one day and 16 hours another day is stupid and makes no sense but really what makes sense in this moronic state .

 

[rseymorejr]

"Oh reason not the need. Our basest beggars Are in the poorest thing superfluous."

Last time I asked you to post and introduction and establish your bona fides, you told me to go f&ck myself, and you got a one week ban. (link below)

https://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=5151071&postcount=29

I am asking again, your statement of "i am a Maryland state gun collector, a member of the NRA, and a combat vet", notwithstanding.

You do nothing to establish yourself as a true 2A advocate, and everything to establish yourself as a troll who wants to undermine any of our good efforts.

'On a bluff. On a bluff. There lived three billy goats gruff .......'

I forgot about that! What a pleasant fellow! LOL

 

[ComeGet]

I did not know this , he wants respect of the highest standards . And gives none .
Thank You Eruby for pointing this out .

Me either. And to think I toned down my response to him before knowing this. Dang.

Let's see how long he lasts this time.

 

[Adolph Oliver Bush]

i just think the whole thing is pointless to be honest. i don't see the point of why you need to carry a gun with you everywhere you go. i can see people carrying if they were in Baltimore city. but cmon guys lets be real here you want to spend all that time and money fighting the system which is going to beat you every time. . i have a wear and carry permit with restrictions on it. i used to be an armed security guard. i don't see the point of going through all that redtape to get an unrestricted permit. am i going to sit there and waste my time and money arguing with a board on my 2nd amendment rights? NOPE. having watched the testimony and hearing people say that they need a permit because "ISIS is out to get them" is almost laughable. you don't need a gun to carry with you to the grocery store. unless you are in a high crime area you need a ccw. there are alternatives like tasers and pepper spray. like i said before you label me as a troll i am a Maryland state gun collector, a member of the NRA, and a combat vet.

You forgot to say "I'm for the Second Amendment but...."

 

[Biggfoot44]

No reason not to ride in the back of the bus, it will take you to the same place .

 

[Stoveman]

i just think the whole thing is pointless to be honest. i don't see the point of why you need to carry a gun with you everywhere you go. i can see people carrying if they were in Baltimore city. but cmon guys lets be real here you want to spend all that time and money fighting the system which is going to beat you every time. . i have a wear and carry permit with restrictions on it. i used to be an armed security guard. i don't see the point of going through all that redtape to get an unrestricted permit. am i going to sit there and waste my time and money arguing with a board on my 2nd amendment rights? NOPE. having watched the testimony and hearing people say that they need a permit because "ISIS is out to get them" is almost laughable. you don't need a gun to carry with you to the grocery store. unless you are in a high crime area you need a ccw. there are alternatives like tasers and pepper spray. like i said before you label me as a troll i am a Maryland state gun collector, a member of the NRA, and a combat vet.

Where did you watch testimony?