Hogan signs anti 2A bills 4/23

[Bisleyfan44]

That pic says it all. Smiling, backstabbing Hogan surrounded by a bunch of beef cattle in red shirts. Perfect! Those of you who can look at that and say you will still vote for him are absolutely crazy and just as anti 2A as they are. There is no way in hell I'm voting for him. An enemy to 2A, 4A, or the Constitution is no friend of mine, whether they are a "D", "R", "I", or whatever and they will not get my vote.

I will do everything in my power to educate everybody I can how much of a traitor this guy is and to help swing as many votes away from him as possible. He thinks he can win without us? Cool, let's see. As mentioned in earlier posts, you guys that will continue to just bend over and take it because he is better than the other guys (Is he really?) or there's no other plan/option and vote for him anyway are just as guilty as he is. Allowing an abuser to keep abusing you, all the while continuing to make excuses for his behavior, is psychotic and sad.

Also, not to be forgotten, Carl Anderton, Jim Mathias, Kathy Szeliga, and Mary Beth Corozza will be treated the same way. The chickens are coming home to roost; they betrayed us early on, only to change course when called out? Well, that was a little too late. In the end we got screwed, now it's their turn.

 

[Jim12]

That pic says it all. Smiling, backstabbing Hogan surrounded by a bunch of beef cattle in red shirts. Perfect! Those of you who can look at that and say you will still vote for him are absolutely crazy and just as anti 2A as they are. There is no way in hell I'm voting for him. An enemy to 2A, 4A, or the Constitution is no friend of mine, whether they are a "D", "R", "I", or whatever and they will not get my vote.

I will do everything in my power to educate everybody I can how much of a traitor this guy is and to help swing as many votes away from him as possible. He thinks he can win without us? Cool, let's see. As mentioned in earlier posts, you guys that will continue to just bend over and take it because he is better than the other guys (Is he really?) or there's no other plan/option and vote for him anyway are just as guilty as he is. Allowing an abuser to keep abusing you, all the while continuing to make excuses for his behavior, is psychotic and sad.

Also, not to be forgotten, Carl Anderton, Jim Mathias, Kathy Szeliga, and Mary Beth Corozza will be treated the same way. The chickens are coming home to roost; they betrayed us early on, only to change course when called out? Well, that was a little too late. In the end we got screwed, now it's their turn.

If you have better, pro-2A candidates to vote for instead, just tell us. Everyone is waiting to hear who they are.

 

[Abacab]

If you have better, pro-2A candidates to vote for instead, just tell us. Everyone is waiting to hear who they are.

I'm not a libertarian nor a fan of the party but that guy is certainly better on paper.

 

[fidelity]

Should be captioned, "Can you spot the Republican in the picture?"

Who knew that he would be reprising O'Malley signing SB281 into law.

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[brownspotz]

Nogun Hogan strikes again....

 

[Jim12]

Well, I guess this will finally reduce the gun violence deaths in MD.

 

[Haides]

I think a lot of people on this Board will take exception to that.

So, you like the Steve Bannon approach? That worked really well, didn't it? He managed to cause the Republican loss of every special election since Trump's 2016 victory, including election of the first Democratic Senator from Alabama in decades, to replace Sessions and put the Senate on the cusp of Democrat control. Now, that is BRILLIANT political strategy.

What the hell does this have to do with Steve Bannon? You've certainly got a screw loose if you think races in states with completely different political makeups are comparable to the problems we're facing here in Maryland.

If you have better, pro-2A candidates to vote for instead, just tell us. Everyone is waiting to hear who they are.

There WILL NEVER BE a better pro-2A candidate in Maryland if people keep voting for anti-2A RHINOs just because they use KY when they screw you and the other guys don't, that's the point. Don't you get it?

I can't believe there are people HERE saying they're going to vote for Hogan. This is a GUN FORUM.

I'm not a single issue voter, but if I were, it would be the frickin' constitution, and this guy doesn't care about it.

Maybe we really are a minority, but that's what our system is for- to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. Without rights, all that's left is the tyranny.

So yes, I'll vote for some other guy, or nobody if there are no Americans running. And yes, that may result in Hitler. But you know what? Hitler didn't last very long, did he? If we have to be reduced to rubble before we can rebuild a just country, I say let's get on with it. I swore to uphold the constitution when I enlisted, and I'm still holding to my oath- more than I can say for Hogan, and all but a handful of politicians in this entire nation.

As for those of you with no principles and your attempts to justify it with expediency, you're joining the wrong side, and that slope is very slippery. I hope you remember this when you're shouting "Crucify him!"

 

[East2West]

Did you ever stop to think that maybe WE are the MINORITY in Maryland, at least statewide?

Maybe they are serving the majority. Maybe they're doing what the majority of their Maryland constituents want them to do.

Maybe we need to change the voters' minds. Or leave.

Exactly why this should be spouted as a due process issue. Unless we're the minority in that too

 

[dblas]

How can you support someone who swears an oath to uphold the constitution, knows this bill violates the second, fifth, and fourteenth amendments, yet signs it into law anyway? I wish to have no association with any oath breakers.

Article 1, Elective Franchise

SEC. 9. Every person elected, or appointed, to any office of profit or trust, under this Constitution, or under the Laws, made pursuant thereto, shall, before he enters upon the duties of such office, take and subscribe the following oath, or affirmation:

I, _______________, do swear, (or affirm, as the case may be), that I will support the Constitution of the United States; and that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to the State of Maryland, and support the Constitution and Laws thereof; and that I will, to the best of my skill and judgment, diligently and faithfully, without partiality or prejudice, execute the office of ________________, according to the Constitution and Laws of this State, (and, if a Governor, Senator, Member of the House of Delegates, or Judge,) that I will not directly or indirectly, receive the profits or any part of the profits of any other office during the term of my acting as ___________ (originally Article I, sec. 6, renumbered by Chapter 681, Acts of 1977, ratified Nov. 7, 1978).

Source: http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/43const/html/01art1.html

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Refusal/Neglect to Take Oath, Violation of Oath

Constitution

Article 1, Elective Franchise

SEC. 11. Every person, hereafter elected, or appointed, to office, in this State, who shall refuse, or neglect, to take the oath, or affirmation of office, provided for in the ninth section of this Article, shall be considered as having refused to accept the said office; and a new election, or appointment, shall be made, as in case of refusal to accept, or resignation of an office; and any person violating said oath, shall, on conviction thereof, in a Court of Law, in addition to the penalties now, or hereafter, to be imposed by Law, be thereafter incapable of holding any office of profit or trust in this State (originally Article I, sec. 7. Thus renumbered and amended by Chapter 681, Acts of 1977, ratified Nov. 7, 1978).

Source: http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/43const/html/01art1.html

So now the question becomes how to bring a case, not only against the Governor, but every Senator that voted for the approval of this bill as well as every Delegate?

 

[dblas]

Don't worry; I'm sure Hogan will make the effort to get a photo OP in during blaze orange camo day with a bunch of "pro gun" people that probably think these bills are great.

He has every day they have held it for the past 4 legislative session. He was also invited to several rallies held by MSI, MSRPA, etc. but never showed up and never replied to the requests.

 

[Jim12]

What the hell does this have to do with Steve Bannon? You've certainly got a screw loose if you think races in states with completely different political makeups are comparable to the problems we're facing here in Maryland.



There WILL NEVER BE a better pro-2A candidate in Maryland if people keep voting for anti-2A RHINOs just because they use KY when they screw you and the other guys don't, that's the point. Don't you get it?

You seem to think that nominating somebody who is out of the mainstream of Maryland politics but is unelectable is the solution to the problem. We barely get a liberal Republican elected.

If I'm wrong, give me a name of somebody who meets the pro-2A test and is electable in MD.

If they can't be elected, you're pissing into the wind.

 

[East2West]

You seem to think that nominating somebody who is out of the mainstream of Maryland politics but is unelectable is the solution to the problem. We barely get a liberal Republican elected.

If I'm wrong, give me a name of somebody who meets the pro-2A test and is electable in MD.

If they can't be elected, you're pissing into the wind.

Exactly so we should just vote for an anti-2a candidate instead of trying to send a message to MDGOP that being anti-2a is a poison pill. That way they continue to sh!t on us without fear.

 

[Jim12]

Exactly so we should just vote for an anti-2a candidate instead of trying to send a message to MDGOP that being anti-2a is a poison pill. That way they continue to sh!t on us without fear.

Instead of defeating your own party's candidates and choosing the "least bad," then why not : 1) Go to party activities and meetings and encourage the pro-2A activists to run, and the other activists to support them; or 2) Run yourself.

Some people here seem to think there's a stash of pro-2A Republican would-be candidates who just aren't running. Where are they? Who are these well-hidden saviors?

 

[danb]

All the "pro-2A Republican would-be candidates," who promised things like directing the MDSP to accept self defense, lost in the primary to Hogan in 2014.

 

[East2West]

Instead of defeating your own party's candidates and choosing the "least bad," then why not : 1) Go to party activities and meetings and encourage the pro-2A activists to run, and the other activists to support them; or 2) Run yourself.

Some people here seem to think there's a stash of pro-2A Republican would-be candidates who just aren't running. Where are they? Who are these well-hidden saviors?

How can we raise up pro-2a candidates while continuing to throw all our support behind republicans like Afzali, Szeliga, and Hogan? Explain exactly how a person gains traction in a party headed by those people. I would think the first move would be to create a power vacuum at the top by eliminating those people who would betray a multitude of our rights for reelection.

 

[Doctor_M]

That one picture with all of the smiling Moms has put things into stark perspective for me. That's all I will publicly say here, but it is an eye-opener.

 

[Boondock Saint]

Keep voting for anti 2A politicians, and a string of anti 2A politicians is what we'll continue to see. Hint: the letter after the candidate's name is not a definitive answer on the question.

This "least bad" nonsense has to go.

But muh politics of fear!

 

[Biggfoot44]

Continuing to support sitting legislators who have proven themselves anti-2A, only empowers them to even further ignore us without consequences .

The only things that motivate 99% of politicians is their personal reelection. The possibility of their replacents voting the same way or not doesn't matter to them , only the feedback of money and votes , or lack threreof to Themselves .

 

[danb]

How can we raise up pro-2a candidates while continuing to throw all our support behind republicans like Afzali, Szeliga, and Hogan? Explain exactly how a person gains traction in a party headed by those people. I would think the first move would be to create a power vacuum at the top by eliminating those people who would betray a multitude of our rights for reelection.

There was a power vacuum at the top in 2014. Hogan and Szeliga emerged.

The power brokers in the GOP simply reflect the attitudes of the GOP in this state. To change the attitudes, you have to change voters minds. The GOP has never been as solidly pro-2A as people seem to think. GOP gave us the machine gun ban in the guise of FOPA, and helped with the assault weapons ban.

 

[Atlasarmory]

both are grandfathered IF you can get the atf to approve your ownership before a certain date, but so far there is no way to do that, or until they are illegal under federal law

So if the ATF does nothing are we screwed or will the ATF approval letter that came with the stock be sufficient as "ATF approval" to own as far as the MD is concerned ?