AWB 2018 and grandfathering

[Bob A]

You tell people that some shootings are going to be the price of living in a civilized society. But it's clear to me that the current NICS checks are not effective. There's no way that someone like Kelly or Cruz should not have been flagged.

Maryland is one of a number of states that do not provide mental health issues to NICS, even though they are supposed to.

Nevertheless, our esteemed lawgivers are up in arms about homicidal maniacs having access to firearms.

One might almost imagine that the omissions are deliberate. But no, obviously that's crazy talk. Eventually this post will be sufficient to deprive me of my rights.

 

[ROBAR35]

To the new guys: I understand where you guys are coming from with give a little get a little with all the BS coming down the pipe. If you get rubbed the wrong way don't take it personal, and we really are glad your here. But you have to understand this, a lot of us have spent years going to Annapolis seeing legiscriiters, testifying, walking the bricks. The gun control nazis don't deal. They throw shit against the wall in hopes some of it sticks and come back year after year for another bite at the apple. It's death by a thousand cuts with these assholes. SB281 was a huge eye opener, we were lied to, patronized and basically sneered at. We showed up by the thousands and kept them from getting everything they wanted but believe me the fix was already in! So like the others have said not one inch with these scumbags. They know we aren't the problem and they don't care. Total ban is their ultimate wet dream regardless of what they say to your face.

 

[Uncle Duke]

Maryland is one of a number of states that do not provide mental health issues to NICS, even though they are supposed to.

Nevertheless, our esteemed lawgivers are up in arms about homicidal maniacs having access to firearms.

One might almost imagine that the omissions are deliberate. But no, obviously that's crazy talk. Eventually this post will be sufficient to deprive me of my rights.

Guess I'll be joining you in the gulag for suggesting that catch and release might be deliberate too. But nah, that too is crazy talk.

 

[TexDefender]

Maryland is one of a number of states that do not provide mental health issues to NICS, even though they are supposed to.

Nevertheless, our esteemed lawgivers are up in arms about homicidal maniacs having access to firearms.

One might almost imagine that the omissions are deliberate. But no, obviously that's crazy talk. Eventually this post will be sufficient to deprive me of my rights.

So then we need to make it mandatory reporting then?

 

[clandestine]

To the new guys: I understand where you guys are coming from with give a little get a little with all the BS coming down the pipe. If you get rubbed the wrong way don't take it personal, and we really are glad your here. But you have to understand this, a lot of us have spent years going to Annapolis seeing legiscriiters, testifying, walking the bricks. The gun control nazis don't deal. They throw shit against the wall in hopes some of it sticks and come back year after year for another bite at the apple. It's death by a thousand cuts with these assholes. SB281 was a huge eye opener, we were lied to, patronized and basically sneered at. We showed up by the thousands and kept them from getting everything they wanted but believe me the fix was already in! So like the others have said not one inch with these scumbags. They know we aren't the problem and they don't care. Total ban is their ultimate wet dream regardless of what they say to your face.

This.

 

[TexDefender]

To the new guys: I understand where you guys are coming from with give a little get a little with all the BS coming down the pipe. If you get rubbed the wrong way don't take it personal, and we really are glad your here. But you have to understand this, a lot of us have spent years going to Annapolis seeing legiscriiters, testifying, walking the bricks. The gun control nazis don't deal. They throw shit against the wall in hopes some of it sticks and come back year after year for another bite at the apple. It's death by a thousand cuts with these assholes. SB281 was a huge eye opener, we were lied to, patronized and basically sneered at. We showed up by the thousands and kept them from getting everything they wanted but believe me the fix was already in! So like the others have said not one inch with these scumbags. They know we aren't the problem and they don't care. Total ban is their ultimate wet dream regardless of what they say to your face.

Thanks! I'm not going to give anything up without a fight. But I feel we have to look at these issues and be ready with good rebuttal, so we can hopefully sway those in the middle to join us. That takes open discussion. We cannot let them control the narrative. If I had my wish I wouldn't live in Maryland. The ban list here has no rime or reason. It looks like someone copy and pasted the firearms come some call of duty game. I was floored to find the M1A1 on the banned list, I can't imagine a criminal that would want to carry a 10 pound, 22 inch rifle to commit a crime.

 

[jollymon]

Maryland is one of a number of states that do not provide mental health issues to NICS, even though they are supposed to.

Nevertheless, our esteemed lawgivers are up in arms about homicidal maniacs having access to firearms.

One might almost imagine that the omissions are deliberate. But no, obviously that's crazy talk. Eventually this post will be sufficient to deprive me of my rights.

At one time Mental Cases where put away in Sanitariums by Court order or
by family Doctors and Psychiatrists .
Now with all the "New" drugs they can take they just let them wander
among us till they don't want to take their med's and run a muck.
Or the family Doc fears a Lawsuit same for the Psychiatrists and
if it takes more than one to put them away you'll never find two
that will agree

 

[clingy]

Just gonna say it: NICS is an infringement. The Constitution does not say felons can’t own firearms!

 

[Boxcab]

1934

National Firearms Act of 1934, the first federal gun-control law, which levies a restrictive $200 tax on the manufacture or sale of machine guns and sawed-off shotguns. All sales were to be recorded in a national registry.

1938

National Firearms Act of 1938, which requires the licensing of interstate gun dealers, who must record their sales. It prohibits sales to individuals under indictment or convicted of crimes of violence.

1968

Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 and the Gun Control Act of 1968, which becomes the primary federal law regulating firearms. It prohibits all convicted felons, drug users and the mentally ill from buying guns; raises the age to purchase handguns from a federally licensed dealer to 21; and expands the licensing requirements to more gun dealers and requires more detailed record-keeping.

1993

The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993 mandates background checks of gun buyers in order to prevent sales to people prohibited under the 1968 legislation. Checks would eventually occur through a new system, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), maintained by the FBI. But records of such checks cannot be preserved because federal law prohibits the creation of a national registry of gun ownership. Sales by unlicensed private sellers who are not engaged in gun dealing as a business are not subject to the checks under federal law, though they are required by some states.

1994

The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 produces a 10-year federal ban on the manufacture of new semi-automatic assault weapons. The law specifies 19 weapons that have the features of assault rifles, including the AR-15, certain versions of the AK-47, the TEC-9, the MAC-10 and the Uzi. The act also bans large-capacity ammunition magazines, limiting them to 10 rounds. The law does not apply to weapons that were already in legal possession.

2018

???

Negotiating has never stopped the infringements, and all these laws did not stop the killing.

Slow, incremental creep.
They have always taken and have not stopped.
The criminals do not obey the laws, then, now or in the future.
They have no plan to stop until the 2A no longer exists.
If you do not fight now, when will you?


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[TexDefender]

Negotiating has never stopped the infringements, and all these laws did not stop the killing.

Slow, incremental creep.
They have always taken and have not stopped.
The criminals do not obey the laws, then, now or in the future.
They have no plan to stop until the 2A no longer exists.
If you do not fight now, when will you?


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True and the only way to do that is to be united. To persuade those on the fence to join us. To me, Murder is already on the books. It's been there for a long time.

 

[Brychan]

Just gonna say it: NICS is an infringement. The Constitution does not say felons can’t own firearms!

True it is an infringement.

Rather silly, can't legally have a firearm, but can drive a car, own knives, run for an office and if elected depending on the office, make laws or have input on law enforcement.

 

[Stoveman]

Comments like that show you are no 2A advocate.

This ^^^


I'm guessing some didn't get enough shit stirring in the other thread, eh?

 

[BradMacc82]

"You cannot negotiate with a Lion, when your head is in it's mouth."

Make no mistake, there is no 'compromise'. For the better part of 80 years the 2A community has given and given. What has it gotten us? Our opposition has a set goal, and they will not stop until they achieve that goal - it really is as simple as that. Appeasement is not an option.

 

[SigDog]

The gun control nazis don't deal.

Says it all.

 

[teratos]

Just gonna say it: NICS is an infringement. The Constitution does not say felons can’t own firearms!

Unfortunately, even Scalia agreed with this long-standing prohibition in the Heller decision.

 

[j_h_smith]

All I can say is that I'm glad I didn't see this thread in real time. I'd be spending a week at Banned Camp. It would seem that some of us have never taken a cooking class. Either that or you missed the session on the proper way to cook a frog. Once you understand this culinary technique, you will understand why we have had enough.

/thread for me

 

[Stagstalker]

Unfortunately, even Scalia agreed with this long-standing prohibition in the Heller decision.

He agreed with that and conceded to only small arms because he thought that would be enough to spare his life.

 

[ToolAA]

Just gonna say it: NICS is an infringement. The Constitution does not say felons can’t own firearms!

It is an infringement when taken out of context. However at the time the bill of rights was written punishment for what we consider minor crimes today were quite harsh. It’s unlikely there was any concern that about criminals rights to possess firearms. Only about 5% of the population could have even afforded a rifle at the time.

Fast forward to 1968 when the federal law to restrict sales of firearms to criminals you had most urban areas pushing hard to find as many ways as possible to restrict ownership. Most rural arras especially in the south voted in favor as well to continue to restrict sales to blacks. In this context it’s surely an infringement.

That being said it’s an infringement that I support for violent offenders. However i think the law goes to far when barring non-violent offenders who have done their time and paid their debt.

 

[Vile Shadow]

Unfortunately, if we just stand up and say "No more, no no" we will lose. We need to concede on some points (and get some helpful things in return) or we will lose everything.

Nope. Unacceptable. Absolutely not.

Why? That’d be ‘cuz of little thang called “incrementalism”. Folks dun decided to “concede on some points” thanks be to the likes of Capone and Bonnie n’ Clyde back in ‘34 when we got the NFA.

Few years dun passed and it became the new normal. Folks dun got used to it and ain’t worried about it no more.

Every time sumThin’ happens there’s yet another heluva pile of “concede on some points” that perfectly law aBidin’ gun folks is expected to tolerate.

Well, I fer one have HAD IT!!

I own not one but FIVE AR-15’s and ain’t a flippin’ one of ‘em ever been used to attack no school, so why the hell should I or any one of us be forced to eat yet another shit sammich served up by the filth in Annapolis or DC and possibly hafta give up OUR shit ‘cuz of what some lowlife a thousand clicks away did?

Ain’t doin’ it. Enuff is too much. To Hell with Maryland. That is all.

 

[BigCity]