We need more gun control

[44man]

New law: Anyone who wants to own a gun is nuts and locked away. Problem solved.

See how fast your solution screws you. You still wanna go down that route? Because I’m sure those parents who lost their kids and would do anything to get them back would be willing to go along with that

They may very well go along with that but the 2a is still in the constitution, for now.

But if we let nuts keep killing school kids it may well not be forever. So we have a choice to make. Keep our guns by locking up or disposing of the most mentally ill among us or confiscations and death for my kind and a life on their knees for those who don’t oppose the confiscations. Think of your children when you decide.

 

[outrider58]

My main criticism of the OP is, he should have titled it "I Need More Gun Control". That child-soon to be man is still his responsibility. I realize he is propping his argument on the backdrop of the recent murders in Florida, but it appears he, like many sheeple in this country today, want the government to take over responsibility for his(their) child(ren) and the parents' failures, therein. This is the main problem in this country and the main cause of the deterioration of this society.

OP, here's something to get you started, though in your case, probably too late. Think of it this way. If you had a spouse who was a raging alcoholic, would you keep a well stocked bar in the house? If you had a spouse who was a regenerate gambler, would you two spend your vacations in Las Vegas?

 

[rbird7282]

One look at the title and I knew this would go over like a wet fart during church....

Lol, I was just about to say that!!


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[rascal]

This ignorance in this thread is staggering. I'm sorry but attacking the OP for low post count, etc is just blatantly stupid. Of course mental illness is a problem. Those who value what we have left of our 2a rights should realize that mental health illness is a serious issue when it comes to school attacks or other mass shootings. Crazy people and guns don't mix and if our society cant find a way to address the issue in an effective manner the further erosion of our rights is inevitable.

We cant? US gun today murder is less than HALF of what it was 25 years ago. We achieved it, along with massive reduction in rape, aggravated assaults and crimes with knives, bludgeons or hands as well -- through a more than doubling of incarceration rates of prior violent criminals who are responsible for 90% of violent crime.

The FBI had DETAILED and direct warnings about this individual and did NOTHING, while diverting its resources to "investigations" of some social and other media postings trying to influence an election (something done for 100 years, including routinely by the US to other countries).


I assume you also support new reductions the the fourth and fifth amendments ,certainly a larger cause this shooting, and certainly more of a cuase o US homicide than the second amendment, as well?

15 years ago I had a close relative sexual assaulted an brutally beaten to death. She was 16. her assailants both had long criminal arrest records including many arrests that were not convictions due to the fact that the US has much stronger fourth and fifth amendment type protections than anywhere in the world.

People who get arrested over and over for violent crimes, do not get convicted, and go on to more brutal crimes is way way more common, and leaves a lot more victims in its wake than mass shootings. it is more common than terrorist attacks here that led to patriot act.

Surely we can agree to compromises right? How about a few small ones like get rid of Miranda, the silly practice of requiring judges for search warrants, and end the prohibitions on hearsay or double jeopardy?

We've had three different CDC heads say the purpose of gun control research was to develop public opinion in favor of eliminate the right to bear arms. Do you think the CDC needs funding to study how we can eliminate the "scourge" of the Forth and Fifth Amendments?

 

[pbharvey]

This ignorance in this thread is staggering. I'm sorry but attacking the OP for low post count, etc is just blatantly stupid. Of course mental illness is a problem. Those who value what we have left of our 2a rights should realize that mental health illness is a serious issue when it comes to school attacks or other mass shootings. Crazy people and guns don't mix and if our society cant find a way to address the issue in an effective manner the further erosion of our rights is inevitable.

By the way I don't advocate for more control. I think every teacher willing to do so should be trained and armed. I have a number of kids in school from elementary to high school. Id be just fine with armed teachers and armed security at schools.

Not too bad coming from a guy with a low post count.

I think that in very broad terms, mental illness is somewhat of a mystery to many people and most of us have a hard time drawing a line between a citizen’s inalienable right to freedom and the citizenry’s inalienable right to freedom from a dangerous person.

We’ll probably, as a society, end up classifying people like we do guns and ban ownership from the ones that look scary. We all know how that will turn out though. The scary list will continually get longer and the person intent on harming others will still shoot their own mother in the head to get to the guns on the naughty list.

Freedom comes with responsibilities both individually and as a society.

 

[pbharvey]

We cant? US gun today murder is less than HALF of what it was 25 years ago. We achieved it, along with massive reduction in rape, aggravated assaults and crimes with knives, bludgeons or hands as well -- through a more than doubling of incarceration rates of prior violent criminals who are responsible for 90% of violent crime.

The FBI had DETAILED and direct warnings about this individual and did NOTHING, while diverting its resources to "investigations" of some social and other media postings trying to influence an election (something done for 100 years, including routinely by the US to other countries).


I assume you also support new reductions the the fourth and fifth amendments ,certainly a larger cause this shooting, and certainly more of a cuase o US homicide than the second amendment, as well?

15 years ago I had a close relative sexual assaulted an brutally beaten to death. She was 16. her assailants both had long criminal arrest records including many arrests that were not convictions due to the fact that the US has much stronger fourth and fifth amendment type protections than anywhere in the world.

People who get arrested over and over for violent crimes, do not get convicted, and go on to more brutal crimes is way way more common, and leaves a lot more victims in its wake than mass shootings. it is more common than terrorist attacks here that led to patriot act.

Surely we can agree to compromises right? How about a few small ones like get rid of Miranda, the silly practice of requiring judges for search warrants, and end the prohibitions on hearsay or double jeopardy?

We've had three different CDC heads say the purpose of gun control research was to develop public opinion in favor of eliminate the right to bear arms. Do you think the CDC needs funding to study how we can eliminate the "scourge" of the Forth and Fifth Amendments?

 

[Schipperke]

Much of the drop in crime rates in USA was median age rising to now 38 years old, from the upper 20's in the 1970's.
The median age in Germany and Japan are 47! Much of Europe is reaching a median age of 45. Much of Africa's countries have median age's in the mid teens!

Crime rates can be directly correlated to the median age of a country. Makes perfect sense, as the majority of violent criminals tend to be younger. So while gun availability in Europe is used as a reason for lower gun murder rates, do we ever get the story on median age of Europe?

 

[Inigoes]

I am a gun nut, I have more then most of you. I hate ANYONE telling me what I can and can't do. But when it comes to gun control we need more of it.

I have an adopted son. He will be 16 next month. He will be 18 in 25 months, at that time he can walk to any store and buy a gun.

He takes meds for his anger issues. He thinks video games and TV is real life. He does not understand things. He is socially inapt. His biological mother drank and did drugs while carrying him and it REALLY did a number on him. While on his meds (4 in the morning and 3 in the afternoon) other then he is not real bright it is hard to tell he has issues.
Our house is built so we can lock a door and it separates him from my kids and I. Our kitchen knives are locked up in a safe at all times unless we are using them same with guns. this was ordered by his doctors/shrink

We need someway (other then parents) cause at this time he is an adult to prevent him from legally purchasing a gun. HIPAA my ass, this sh1t needs to be reported and applied to the NIC process. I know even with this it will not be 100% but how many people that are off their rocker have killed kids and adult in the last 6 months?

We need to criminalize parents who let the children think the world is video games, and as seen on tv.

If you feel this way about the kid and guns, institutionalize him for 30 days. HIPAA can't do a dang thing about that.

 

[lonewolf220]

They may very well go along with that but the 2a is still in the constitution, for now.

But if we let nuts keep killing school kids it may well not be forever. So we have a choice to make. Keep our guns by locking up or disposing of the most mentally ill among us or confiscations and death for my kind and a life on their knees for those who don’t oppose the confiscations. Think of your children when you decide.

What you are proposing is denying the 2nd amendment rights to people based on what someone determines is a mental health issue. Again who defines this? Maybe they’ll say all religious people are crazy for believing in some guy in the sky who they think talks to them and answers their prayers. Let’s go ahead and lock them up cause we don’t need those people owning guns. Or maybe we’ll lock up the die hard sport fanatics who always refer to the team as “my team” even though they aren’t on it or have any ownership and outcomes have no impact on their life. Clearly they are crazy. Or maybe anyone who denies climate change is considered incapable of rationale thought and therefore can’t be trusted with a firearm. It is nuts to think politicians won’t try to use your solution to bar more people from owing guns

I’m not willing to live in a tyrannical state to keep my guns. Isn’t that part of the reason we want the 2nd, to put a check on an oppressive government?

 

[rascal]

So we have a choice to make. Keep our guns by locking up or disposing of the most mentally ill among us or confiscations and death for my kind and a life on their knees for those who don’t oppose the confiscations. Think of your children when you decide.

Absolutely false decision tree there. In the past five years the US gun homicide rate of children is about 46% of the 1990-95 rate. In other words less than half of what it was a generation ago.

By Everytown for gun safety definition of US school shootings, they are today about 1/3 of what they were 25 years ago.

by Everytown's definition both Berlin (186 children mass murdered) and Utoya (69 shot dead) are school shootings and the US has never had a school shooting approaching either of those.

In fact Norway's mass school shooting death rate per capita the past ten years is much higher than the US.

We do not know all the details, but it looks for certain this guy made felony level specific threats of specific violence against specific people and the school local authorities, or increasingly likely the FBI totally fell down on the job.

I cant think of anything worse than advocating reductions in fourth, fifth or second amendment rights -- all while violent crime and murder rates are actually in a long term decline

 

[K31]

This ignorance in this thread is staggering. I'm sorry but attacking the OP for low post count, etc is just blatantly stupid. Of course mental illness is a problem. Those who value what we have left of our 2a rights should realize that mental health illness is a serious issue when it comes to school attacks or other mass shootings. Crazy people and guns don't mix and if our society cant find a way to address the issue in an effective manner the further erosion of our rights is inevitable.

By the way I don't advocate for more control. I think every teacher willing to do so should be trained and armed. I have a number of kids in school from elementary to high school. Id be just fine with armed teachers and armed security at schools.

Only the OP didn't start a thread about dealing with mental illness, the OP started a thread about gun control.

 

[K31]

What you are proposing is denying the 2nd amendment rights to people based on what someone determines is a mental health issue. Again who defines this? Maybe they’ll say all religious people are crazy for believing in some guy in the sky who they think talks to them and answers their prayers. Let’s go ahead and lock them up cause we don’t need those people owning guns. Or maybe we’ll lock up the die hard sport fanatics who always refer to the team as “my team” even though they aren’t on it or have any ownership and outcomes have no impact on their life. Clearly they are crazy. Or maybe anyone who denies climate change is considered incapable of rationale thought and therefore can’t be trusted with a firearm. It is nuts to think politicians won’t try to use your solution to bar more people from owing guns

I’m not willing to live in a tyrannical state to keep my guns. Isn’t that part of the reason we want the 2nd, to put a check on an oppressive government?

 

[Mr. Ed]

We need to criminalize parents who let the children think the world is video games, and as seen on tv.

And parents who abuse drugs and alcohol, especially pregnant women.

 

[DanGuy48]

Unfortunately, laws don't prevent crimes....simple as that. We have laws against speeding, extortion, kidnapping, rape, burglary, fraud, jaywalking, dealing dope, etc., etc., and people still commit those crimes.

 

[Inigoes]

Only the OP didn't start a thread about dealing with mental illness, the OP started a thread about gun control.

The OP is highlighting his/her failure as a parent for not making sure the child is prepared for society or getting the needed help.

Instead, the OP wants to blame someone else for the failures.

 

[Mr. Ed]

What you are proposing is denying the 2nd amendment rights to people based on what someone determines is a mental health issue. Again who defines this? Maybe they’ll say all religious people are crazy for believing in some guy in the sky who they think talks to them and answers their prayers. Let’s go ahead and lock them up cause we don’t need those people owning guns. Or maybe we’ll lock up the die hard sport fanatics who always refer to the team as “my team” even though they aren’t on it or have any ownership and outcomes have no impact on their life. Clearly they are crazy. Or maybe anyone who denies climate change is considered incapable of rationale thought and therefore can’t be trusted with a firearm. It is nuts to think politicians won’t try to use your solution to bar more people from owing guns

I’m not willing to live in a tyrannical state to keep my guns. Isn’t that part of the reason we want the 2nd, to put a check on an oppressive government?

Well stated. Sadly, there is no objective standard for mental health, only subjective ones. It's up to a mental health practitioner to determine someone's sanity. Sort of like the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Fredcohunter]

We cant? US gun today murder is less than HALF of what it was 25 years ago. We achieved it, along with massive reduction in rape, aggravated assaults and crimes with knives, bludgeons or hands as well -- through a more than doubling of incarceration rates of prior violent criminals who are responsible for 90% of violent crime.

The FBI had DETAILED and direct warnings about this individual and did NOTHING, while diverting its resources to "investigations" of some social and other media postings trying to influence an election (something done for 100 years, including routinely by the US to other countries).


I assume you also support new reductions the the fourth and fifth amendments ,certainly a larger cause this shooting, and certainly more of a cuase o US homicide than the second amendment, as well?

15 years ago I had a close relative sexual assaulted an brutally beaten to death. She was 16. her assailants both had long criminal arrest records including many arrests that were not convictions due to the fact that the US has much stronger fourth and fifth amendment type protections than anywhere in the world.

People who get arrested over and over for violent crimes, do not get convicted, and go on to more brutal crimes is way way more common, and leaves a lot more victims in its wake than mass shootings. it is more common than terrorist attacks here that led to patriot act.

Surely we can agree to compromises right? How about a few small ones like get rid of Miranda, the silly practice of requiring judges for search warrants, and end the prohibitions on hearsay or double jeopardy?

We've had three different CDC heads say the purpose of gun control research was to develop public opinion in favor of eliminate the right to bear arms. Do you think the CDC needs funding to study how we can eliminate the "scourge" of the Forth and Fifth Amendments?

I don't disagree with you at all. The problem is in our "CNN" society knee jerk reaction has become the norm for the left. The Anti's wont focus on the problem of mental illness, they will focus on the gun. Mental health is a serious issue in this country and I wish we could find a way to address it. I agree that the FBI totally dropped the ball on this....

 

[Fredcohunter]

Only the OP didn't start a thread about dealing with mental illness, the OP started a thread about gun control.

yes I am aware of that. I focused more on the content of the post rather than the thread title

 

[44man]

What you are proposing is denying the 2nd amendment rights to people based on what someone determines is a mental health issue. Again who defines this? Maybe they’ll say all religious people are crazy for believing in some guy in the sky who they think talks to them and answers their prayers. Let’s go ahead and lock them up cause we don’t need those people owning guns. Or maybe we’ll lock up the die hard sport fanatics who always refer to the team as “my team” even though they aren’t on it or have any ownership and outcomes have no impact on their life. Clearly they are crazy. Or maybe anyone who denies climate change is considered incapable of rationale thought and therefore can’t be trusted with a firearm. It is nuts to think politicians won’t try to use your solution to bar more people from owing guns

I’m not willing to live in a tyrannical state to keep my guns. Isn’t that part of the reason we want the 2nd, to put a check on an oppressive government?

Then worry not, because if something isn’t done one day you will be living in a country without guns.

I am starting to believe folks just don’t care when school kids are massacred, unless they are there kids.

 

[Fredcohunter]

Not too bad coming from a guy with a low post count.

I only post in threads where I have an opinion. Maybe this thread will get me to 50