Questions for you Glock Guys

[Laddertowr]

Several months ago I bought my first Glock (G41)..few weeks back I got to take her out and ran about 100 rounds down range. Will the trigger get any lighter on its own with more usage? Anyone own a G41 who thinks the muzzle flip is crazy?...could be just me as IM use to my SR1911..
Heading back to Western MD the end of the week where I'll have a few weeks to shoot the snot out of her and hope I'll leave there feeling better about my G41.

 

[platoonDaddy]

Check out this video: note his grip and very little flip. He talks about the trigger, sounds like a typical glock trigger pull

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95YAUBUK4rA

 

[joppaj]

I've never known a Glock trigger to get lighter. You can do a trigger job to lighten it but it will never be a 1911.

 

[Shoobedoo]

Several months ago I bought my first Glock (G41)..few weeks back I got to take her out and ran about 100 rounds down range. Will the trigger get any lighter on its own with more usage? Anyone own a G41 who thinks the muzzle flip is crazy?...could be just me as IM use to my SR1911..
Heading back to Western MD the end of the week where I'll have a few weeks to shoot the snot out of her and hope I'll leave there feeling better about my G41.

The short answer is yes it probably will, the long answer is it will take a lot of shooting to lighten it up much over the out of the box pull, and even then we are talking a marginal improvement, at least that's been my experience, and I own about 20 different Glock's. Typically, a factory new Glock will have around 7.5 lbs. pull as measured on my digital gauge, which is very accurate. One solution is installing aftermarket parts like the Apex Tactical action enhancement kits, and/or an aftermarket trigger. Some guys have had success polishing this or that part, but I personally don't like messing with that method for a variety of reasons. To accurately evaluate your trigger pull weight "before and after" or just checking one "out of box" you should have a gauge, because "feel" alone is only going to tell you so much.

 

[good guy 176]

The easiest way to get rid of that trigger and flip is to get rid of the Glock...never found one reason to own one, nary a one. With a billZillion choices available, the question remains WHY?

Leave that G41 out there in the weeds of western MD is the best advice you'll get here today.

***********

ROTC...Indiana State Teachers College, Indiana Pa (now IUP) 59-63...Fort Knox 63...Fort Benning 63...Korea 64 (Plt Ldr, Davy Crockett (small nuke system) Sec Ldr, 7th Inf Div)...Fort Jackson 65 (Aide to BG Jefferson Irvin, Dep Cdr)...Fort Rucker 65-66 (initial FW flight rating)...Vietnam 66-67... Fort Stewart 67-69 (FW flight instructor)...Fort Rucker 69 (rotor head transition enroute to flight tour #2 at good ole Saigon and Long Thanh North)...Vietnam 69-70...Fort Benning 70-71...Fort Rucker 71-74...Germany 74-77 (Bde S1, 8th Inf Div)...Fort Meade 77-84 (First Army & 902d MI Group). Finally, retirement...1 June 1984.

I had a busy, colorful, fulfilling and at times challenging 21 years of active duty...and I would not repeat it! Never ever....

Lew--Ranger63
Infantry, Airborne, Ranger, Expert Infantryman's Badge, Dual Rated Senior Army Aviator...Survivor!

 

[Blaster229]

I don't think the trigger gets lighter after more use, but the shooter and (trigger finger) get better with more use.

 

[redeemed.man]

The easiest way to get rid of that trigger and flip is to get rid of the Glock...never found one reason to own one, nary a one. With a billZillion choices available, the question remains WHY?

Reliable...sure, but it's still a semi and subject to jamming when ya need it most...lightweight, and?...inexpensive, not in relative terms...and aNd AND....

Leave that G41 out there in the weeds of western MD would be my choice.

Lew--Ranger63
Korea 64, Vietnam 66-67, Vietnam 69-70, Germany 74-77.
Infantry, Airborne, Ranger, Expert Infantryman's Badge, Dual Rated Senior Army Aviator...Survivor!

Yep, you're right old-timer. We should all just go get single action revolvers. Or would black powder be better?

 

[davsco]

yeah glocks aren't known for their awesome triggers. but it's easy to smooth and lighten them with a variety of aftermarket connectors and trigger spring kits out there.

 

[Blaster229]

The easiest way to get rid of that trigger and flip is to get rid of the Glock...never found one reason to own one, nary a one. With a billZillion choices available, the question remains WHY?

Reliable...sure, but it's still a semi and subject to jamming when ya need it most...lightweight, and?...inexpensive, not in relative terms...and aNd AND....

Leave that G41 out there in the weeds of western MD would be my choice.

Lew--Ranger63

ROTC at Indiana State Teachers College, Indiana Pa (now IUP) 59-63...Fort Knox 63...Fort Benning 63...Korea 64 (7th Inf Div)...Fort Jackson 65...Fort Rucker 65-66 (initial flight rating)...Vietnam 66-67... Fort Stewart 67-69 (flight instructor)...Fort Rucker 69 (rotor head transition enroute to #2 in the ********)... Vietnam 69-70... Fort Benning 70-71...Fort Rucker 71-74...Germany 74-77 (8th Inf Div)...Fort Meade 77-84.


Retirement...1 June 1984.

Infantry, Airborne, Ranger, Expert Infantryman's Badge, Dual Rated Senior Army Aviator...Survivor!

Sure, semi's are prone to malfunction. Many/most of those malfunctions are recoverable. There are no malfunctions with a revolver I know of that are recoverable.
A lot of shooting training and guns have changed since you toted a .38 revolver in your pilot survival vest back in the 'Nam.

 

[Shoobedoo]

Yep, you're right old-timer. We should all just go get single action revolvers. Or would black powder be better?

LOLLL

Well, now we know at least one guy that isn't a Glock fan..

 

[StantonCree]

The easiest way to get rid of that trigger and flip is to get rid of the Glock...never found one reason to own one, nary a one. With a billZillion choices available, the question remains WHY?

Reliable...sure, but it's still a semi and subject to jamming when ya need it most...lightweight, and?...inexpensive, not in relative terms...and aNd AND....

Leave that G41 out there in the weeds of western MD would be my choice.

Lew--Ranger63

ROTC...Indiana State Teachers College, Indiana Pa (now IUP) 59-63...Fort Knox 63...Fort Benning 63...Korea 64 (7th Inf Div)...Fort Jackson 65 (Aide to BG Jefferson Irvin, Dep Cdr)...Fort Rucker 65-66 (initial FW flight rating)...Vietnam 66-67... Fort Stewart 67-69 (FW flight instructor)...Fort Rucker 69 (rotor head transition enroute to flight tour #2 at good ole Saigon and Long Thanh North)...Vietnam 69-70...Fort Benning 70-71...Fort Rucker 71-74...Germany 74-77 (8th Inf Div)...Fort Meade 77-84. Finally, retirement...1 June 1984.

Infantry, Airborne, Ranger, Expert Infantryman's Badge, Dual Rated Senior Army Aviator...Survivor!

this might be one of this silliest, ill advised posts ive read on MDS.

OP Im not trying to belittled you but are you utilizing the trigger reset? The initial pull is heavy but the reset should significantly reduce the trigger pull. As far as the muzzle flip it is going to be worse then you 1911 I mean you shooting an all steel pistol and then comparing it to a polymer framed pistol in the same caliber. The weight is going to play an obvious factor. Should you every want to try a 9mm version let me know and youll see a significant difference. My G33 has some pretty good muzzle flip. Its a big round in a tiny package.

As far as refuting the post above there is really even zero reason to respond because since the early 80's glock reputation for reliability has been pretty much stellar.

I've got 6 glocks and have literally had zero reliability issues with any of them.

 

[redeemed.man]

As far as Glock triggers the Gen 1 & 2 are lighter and smoother in my opinion followed by Gen 3. The Gen 4's and G43 tend to have the heaviest pull in my experience. The newer ones aren't bad just not as light as the older ones in my experience. I keep all my triggers stock. I carry a Gen 2 G19 nearly every day rather than a Gen 3 or 4 which I also own.

Muzzle flip has never been an issue for me with a full size Glock (even .357 sig/10 mm), I would definitely check your grip/hold. The polymer frame flexes and seems to absorb a lot of recoil.

 

[cantstop]

Glock's standard trigger is ~5.5 lbs and is set by the connector and the trigger spring.

Glock has a standard trigger spring, a New York trigger spring that adds 3 lbs to the trigger pull (N.Y.1 - olive green) and a N.Y.2 (orange) that adds 5 lbs.

Glock has the standard connector (blank) with a trigger pull of ~5.5 lbs, the ~4.5 lbs connector (marked -) and the ~8.5 lbs connector (marked +).

There is a warning in the armorers manual to never use the New York trigger springs with the 8.5 lb connector.

If you take your trigger apart and it is all standard components, you may want to try the 25 cent trigger job (and the improved 25 cent trigger job). Google it for more info. YMMV

You might eff-up your new Glock taking it apart and grinding away at parts you don't understand. This is a risk you take. I'm just a dog on the Internet.

 

[Z_Man]

the trigger pull will not get lighter as the glock ages, however it will get slightly smoother and more crisp (or you just get used to it). you can do the 25c trigger job (basically polish the wear surfaces of the trigger assembly and the striker) which, again, smooths out the trigger pull. a glock will never have a 1911 trigger pull feel. some of the aftermarket triggers are much better than stock, but 1911 they will not be.

 

[RoadDawg]

I don't think the trigger gets lighter after more use, but the shooter and (trigger finger) get better with more use.

^^^this^^^

LOLLL

Well, now we know at least one guy that isn't a Glock fan..

Polymer hate...
I remember the hate for the new aluminum gun too... The AR15 was "never going to last as a military service weapon".

People don't read and fully understand the Glock trigger and they try to compare it to the 1911 as if they are the same. That's a fail.

Pulling the trigger on a single action 1911 is simply releasing the hammer to fall on the firing pin. (Except for series 80, which also moves the firing pin block out of the channel.) There is no striker spring to compress.

Unlike the 1911... when pulling the trigger on a Glock... the shooter is also forcing the striker(firing pin) to the rear, under pressure of the striker spring, to the point at which the striker is released forward to strike the primer. Also, in that process is the compression of the striker (firing pin) safety. Add the friction between the several parts which are under tension... and you start to realize that there will never be a true and fair comparison between the trigger pull of the two pistols.

That said... there are ways to improve the shooting experience with the Glock.
• As was pointed out... Learning to use the reset point will shorten the travel.
• It's not necessary to do one finger pull-ups to strengthen the trigger finger... But, with enough trigger time, the shooter will need less and less attention to the trigger pull to become more comfortable with it. (The trigger is not getting easier due to wear... your finger is getting stronger from the work.)
• VERY light polishing of the contact areas and proper lubricant used as prescribed, will mitigate much of the fealt tension.

Don't be too fast to start replacing OEM parts with the next great thing-a-ma-bob which promises 1911 trigger pull. Those parts have been notorious for causing reliability issues in perfectly good OEM pistols.

 

[kraftyone]

I have a 1911 that I love it point great fit finish form and function are wonderful. I wanted a compact gun so I bought a Glock 19 completely different from my full size 1911. I love it as well but I would never compare the two against each other as they are as different as apples and oranges. They both fill different roles and were designed as such. I was not sure I cared for the Glock when I got it but practice and more practice and I feel like I have gotten much better with it and prefer shooting it over the 1911. Is it a better gun no but even in stock configuration I was able to improve my skills to make it a useful tool. Don't change it just shoot it.


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[BigT5g]

Several months ago I bought my first Glock (G41)..few weeks back I got to take her out and ran about 100 rounds down range. Will the trigger get any lighter on its own with more usage? Anyone own a G41 who thinks the muzzle flip is crazy?...could be just me as IM use to my SR1911..
Heading back to Western MD the end of the week where I'll have a few weeks to shoot the snot out of her and hope I'll leave there feeling better about my G41.

Get a grip brother. Literally. this will solve your muzzle flip and help minimize movement of the sights as you press the trigger.

 

[BossmanPJ]

That was a very helpful video. Thanks.

 

[vgplayer]

SR1911 is 12oz heavier and with Glocks virtually all the weight is in the slide so you need to do your part to control the recoil.

 

[byf43]

Glock's standard trigger is ~5.5 lbs and is set by the connector and the trigger spring.

Glock has a standard trigger spring, a New York trigger spring that adds 3 lbs to the trigger pull (N.Y.1 - olive green) and a N.Y.2 (orange) that adds 5 lbs.

Glock has the standard connector (blank) with a trigger pull of ~5.5 lbs, the ~4.5 lbs connector (marked -) and the ~8.5 lbs connector (marked +).

There is a warning in the armorers manual to never use the New York trigger springs with the 8.5 lb connector.

If you take your trigger apart and it is all standard components, you may want to try the 25 cent trigger job (and the improved 25 cent trigger job). Google it for more info. YMMV

You might eff-up your new Glock taking it apart and grinding away at parts you don't understand. This is a risk you take. I'm just a dog on the Internet.

^^^this^^^



Polymer hate...
I remember the hate for the new aluminum gun too... The AR15 was "never going to last as a military service weapon".

People don't read and fully understand the Glock trigger and they try to compare it to the 1911 as if they are the same. That's a fail.

Pulling the trigger on a single action 1911 is simply releasing the hammer to fall on the firing pin. (Except for series 80, which also moves the firing pin block out of the channel.) There is no striker spring to compress.

Unlike the 1911... when pulling the trigger on a Glock... the shooter is also forcing the striker(firing pin) to the rear, under pressure of the striker spring, to the point at which the striker is released forward to strike the primer. Also, in that process is the compression of the striker (firing pin) safety. Add the friction between the several parts which are under tension... and you start to realize that there will never be a true and fair comparison between the trigger pull of the two pistols.

That said... there are ways to improve the shooting experience with the Glock.
• As was pointed out... Learning to use the reset point will shorten the travel.
• It's not necessary to do one finger pull-ups to strengthen the trigger finger... But, with enough trigger time, the shooter will need less and less attention to the trigger pull to become more comfortable with it. (The trigger is not getting easier due to wear... your finger is getting stronger from the work.)
• VERY light polishing of the contact areas and proper lubricant used as prescribed, will mitigate much of the fealt tension.

Don't be too fast to start replacing OEM parts with the next great thing-a-ma-bob which promises 1911 trigger pull. Those parts have been notorious for causing reliability issues in perfectly good OEM pistols.

^^^^TWO GREAT posts!!!!!!