Thank God for the Electoral College

[rbird7282]

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/311909-graham-99-percent-of-senate-splits-with-trump-on-russia

99% of the Senate believes Russia was involved. Nothing to be concerned about though.

That's ok, I don't believe 99% of what the Senate says.


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[ashershapiro]

Well since there are only 100 of them, who is the holdout?

I'm still awaiting any evidence of Russian interference.

Even if it is true, it is not like the US has not interfered in other country's elections.

And we spy on other countries but that does not mean we let foreign spy's go if we catch them.

I bet the holdout is Sessions. I couldnt see him agreeing with this.

 

[Vetted84]

And we spy on other countries but that does not mean we let foreign spy's go if we catch them.

I bet the holdout is Sessions. I couldnt see him agreeing with this.

I have to take the article with a grain of salt. 99% of the Senate never agrees on anything, except maybe when it is time to vote themselves a raise.

 

[EL1227]

You're deflecting.

My 99% analogy makes about as much sense as your 99% assumption.

If there is 'deflecting', it's the automatic assertion that the Russians had anything to do with the outcome of the election, as opposed to the corruption and cover-up of criminal activity by the Democrat party and their candidate for POTUS ... not to mention the sycophantic follow-on by establishment Republicans who are only interested in holding onto power.



Obama under pressure to prove Russian interference in election

The House Intelligence Committee earlier this month demanded a briefing on the subject, but was rebuffed intelligence leaders, which said that they will not brief Congress again until the completion of the report for the White House.

Obama has asked the public to take the assessment of Russian interference largely on faith, suggesting that the American people already know everything they need to know to accept the conclusions of the CIA report.

"If the CIA Director [John] Brennan and others at the top are serious about turning over evidence … they should do that," Trump aide Kellyanne Conway said earlier this month. "They should not be leaking to the media. If there's evidence, let's see it."

 

[ashershapiro]

Yea but your deflecting to another issue without addressing the current one. You can't just address every issue in life with" well the other side was wrong before, so they must be wrong this time"

Also one instance is trying to predict a future outcome, and the other is looking back on an event that already occured.

The intelligence community and the Senate agree on this. Must Trump himself say it happened before people believe it?

 

[Vetted84]

Yea but your deflecting to another issue without addressing the current one. You can't just address every issue in life with" well the other side was wrong before, so they must be wrong this time"

Also one instance is trying to predict a future outcome, and the other is looking back on an event that already occured.

The intelligence community and the Senate agree on this. Must Trump himself say it happened before people believe it?

All they have to do is show us the proof. Not going to just take their word on it. We started a war last time we did that.

I suspect there is no real evidence, just a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking and speculation.

 

[5cary]

Yea but your deflecting to another issue without addressing the current one. You can't just address every issue in life with" well the other side was wrong before, so they must be wrong this time"

Also one instance is trying to predict a future outcome, and the other is looking back on an event that already occured.

The intelligence community and the Senate agree on this. Must Trump himself say it happened before people believe it?

Which "it" are you referring to? That Russia "hacked" the DNC (and posted undisputable evidence of their corruption)? Or that Russia "influenced" the outcome of the election?

There is a difference and too many people are making them out to be one and the same. The CIA *might* have proof that the Russians were somehow involved in the "hack" (I doubt it). I guarantee they don't have proof that the event swayed the election.

 

[press1280]

Which "it" are you referring to? That Russia "hacked" the DNC (and posted undisputable evidence of their corruption)? Or that Russia "influenced" the outcome of the election?

There is a difference and too many people are making them out to be one and the same. The CIA *might* have proof that the Russians were somehow involved in the "hack" (I doubt it). I guarantee they don't have proof that the event swayed the election.

It's impossible to measure how much the hacks swayed things one way or another. Most polls that I saw didn't show waves of people leaving Hillary over the exposed emails.

 

[EL1227]

Yea but your deflecting to another issue without addressing the current one. You can't just address every issue in life with" well the other side was wrong before, so they must be wrong this time"

Also one instance is trying to predict a future outcome, and the other is looking back on an event that already occured.

The intelligence community and the Senate agree on this. Must Trump himself say it happened before people believe it?

WRONG

Please provide proof (links, etc) where there is agreement in the 'intelligence community' beyond Brennan's comments. Even Comey said it wasn't a factor until someone above him forced a retraction. DNI questioned Brennan's comments too. The Russians hack, the Chinese hack ... every foreign power hacks every other foreign power. so what's your point ?

Your argument doesn't hold water, given your need to psychoanalyze mine. There is no THERE there, despite WaPo's recent article.
Why the CIA won’t want to go public with evidence of Russia’s hacking Which is analogous to the old CIA joke, "T'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you."

But that isn't stopping Obama from taking pointless actions to PROVE there is THERE there ... Obama expels 35 Russian diplomats over election hacking row

 

[Mark75H]

The DNC never said the emails were fake ... if the emails swayed the election it was their content and not the route they took to the public.


The employer of the successful hacker is as irrelevant as the sex of the person who installed a particular steering wheel on a car a drunk used to run over some one.

 

[Jim12]

For crying out loud, the Dems' and Hillary's complaint is all about the fact that their lies were exposed, they were caught, and the truth escaped so people could vote based on facts and reality, not their bullsh!t storyline.

The DNC hackers, whoever they were, did our country and Constitution a great service and should be commended.

Man, people are losing sight of that.

 

[robmints]

Yea but your deflecting to another issue without addressing the current one. You can't just address every issue in life with" well the other side was wrong before, so they must be wrong this time"

Also one instance is trying to predict a future outcome, and the other is looking back on an event that already occured.

The intelligence community and the Senate agree on this. Must Trump himself say it happened before people believe it?

So the "intelligence community" and Lindsey Graham (#1 Trump hater) is saying something. Obama's political appointees are not the "intelligence community".

The DNC got hacked? Podesta got hacked? Hillary got hacked? No one with an R was targeted? The R's were hacked but info not released? Did the hackers embellish the content of the hacked information? Who did the hacking?

I'm not believing anything without evidence. If you have something, let's see it. I'm not even asking for something unreasonable, just a logical chain that can be followed. What the butthurt losers of the last election say is not evidence. As a matter of fact, if they say it that gives me reason for disbelief rather than credibility.

My logical chain: Losers making up stories as to why the losers lost.

 

[ashershapiro]

So the "intelligence community" and Lindsey Graham (#1 Trump hater) is saying something. Obama's political appointees are not the "intelligence community".

The DNC got hacked? Podesta got hacked? Hillary got hacked? No one with an R was targeted? The R's were hacked but info not released? Did the hackers embellish the content of the hacked information? Who did the hacking?

I'm not believing anything without evidence. If you have something, let's see it. I'm not even asking for something unreasonable, just a logical chain that can be followed. What the butthurt losers of the last election say is not evidence. As a matter of fact, if they say it that gives me reason for disbelief rather than credibility.

My logical chain: Losers making up stories as to why the losers lost.

35 individuals being expelled are diplomats. Update: These diplomats have been identified as cover intel operatives (not unique to Ru, plenty of countries including US do it, the point is not to get caught )

The 6 Ru individuals being sanctioned are specifically named GRU leaders and cyber operators/ facilitators. Update: 4x of the top GRU chiefs and 2x GRU-affiliated cyber criminals.

Two of the Ru entities being sanctioned are the entirety of GRU and SVR (Ru's military and foreign intel services), and the other three are front companies for GRU.

2 Ru spy compounds being closed in Maryland and New York. this is IMO the craziest part. Update: Homeland Security Adviser says these were legally bought as recreational facilities by Ru govt, but were monitored by US intel for years as bases for Ru surveillance ops, and says these are just the first wave in a crackdown.

The technical details of the Russian cyber intrusion sets will be publicly released to render them moot for public good and force Ru to develop new ones. Update: Looks like theyre starting the release

Alongside the technical files, the official US report is out, formally stating that the USIC, DHS, and FBI assess it was Russian intelligence services based on classified evidence (an upgrade from the anonymous leaks and official 'probably' statements from the past few months): https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296.pdf




And you guys just wanted to ignore this because it does not fit into your narrative...

 

[ashershapiro]

35 individuals being expelled are diplomats. Update: These diplomats have been identified as cover intel operatives (not unique to Ru, plenty of countries including US do it, the point is not to get caught )

The 6 Ru individuals being sanctioned are specifically named GRU leaders and cyber operators/ facilitators. Update: 4x of the top GRU chiefs and 2x GRU-affiliated cyber criminals.

Two of the Ru entities being sanctioned are the entirety of GRU and SVR (Ru's military and foreign intel services), and the other three are front companies for GRU.

2 Ru spy compounds being closed in Maryland and New York. this is IMO the craziest part. Update: Homeland Security Adviser says these were legally bought as recreational facilities by Ru govt, but were monitored by US intel for years as bases for Ru surveillance ops, and says these are just the first wave in a crackdown.

The technical details of the Russian cyber intrusion sets will be publicly released to render them moot for public good and force Ru to develop new ones. Update: Looks like theyre starting the release

Alongside the technical files, the official US report is out, formally stating that the USIC, DHS, and FBI assess it was Russian intelligence services based on classified evidence (an upgrade from the anonymous leaks and official 'probably' statements from the past few months): https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296.pdf




And you guys just wanted to ignore this because it does not fit into your narrative...

But but they didnt actually change my vote...

But the DNC emails were real....

That's not the point. I hope everyone can see this from that report. As Americans we should all be outraged by this.

 

[Jim12]

The b!tch set them up!

 

[EL1227]

But but they didnt actually change my vote...

But the DNC emails were real....

That's not the point. I hope everyone can see this from that report. As Americans we should all be outraged by this.

Being discussed in detail along with the report, here on MDS:

U.S. evicts Russians for spying, imposes sanctions after election hacks

As an American, I'm outraged by a report that provided TONS of technical detail, but no concrete conclusion that the hack was anything more than a lucky strike on a poorly secured IT infrastructure at the DNC ... which was probably aided by a poorly secured server in a bathroom in Chappaqua, NY.

 

[traveller]

Alongside the technical files, the official US report is out, formally stating that the USIC, DHS, and FBI assess it was Russian intelligence services based on classified evidence (an upgrade from the anonymous leaks and official 'probably' statements from the past few months): https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296.pdf

I read it. It says we can't tell you how we arrived at our conclusions, but 'trust us, it's the russians'.

 

[jrumann59]

This is whole Russia affected an election spin crap is just that. Fact Russia did not hack the election. Evidence points to Russia hacking the DNC email, that is the only thing that can be hung around Russia's neck for affecting the election. They did not fraudulently change votes through nefarious actions on the interwebz, they used the one thing the left thought was on their side the whole time the MSM, Liberals are pissed that the MSM spent more time chasing a story about them then trying to tear down Trump. Now Obama is trying to start a full Cyber World War to save face and throw a few more bags of shit on the pile for Trump to clean up.

 

[EL1227]

This is whole Russia affected an election spin crap is just that. Fact Russia did not hack the election. Evidence points to Russia hacking the DNC email, that is the only thing that can be hung around Russia's neck for affecting the election. They did not fraudulently change votes through nefarious actions on the interwebz, they used the one thing the left thought was on their side the whole time the MSM, Liberals are pissed that the MSM spent more time chasing a story about them then trying to tear down Trump. Now Obama is trying to start a full Cyber World War to save face and throw a few more bags of shit on the pile for Trump to clean up.

And THAT is up for discussion. The exact wording from the report is ...

Previous Joint Analysis Reports (JARs) have not attributed malicious cyber activity to specific countries or threat actors. However, public attribution of these activities to RIS is supported by technical indicators from the U.S. Intelligence Community, DHS, FBI, the private sector, and other entities.

"Methods attributed" is another term bandied about by the MSM to link Russia, but again it's a squishy description that leaves it's interpretation to the consumer of the information ... sort'a like "Hope & Change" ... or even "Make America Great Again". Be careful when reading 'official reports' that don't reveal anything more than what you could read on an internet blog.

There is a term for that ...

 

[Vetted84]

And you guys just wanted to ignore this because it does not fit into your narrative...

No, we elect to ignore it because we have yet to be shown any of the conveniently classified evidence.

Show me the evidence that the Russians altered the outcome of the election then I will get my knickers knotted.

Showing a handful of Russians the exit is not evidence.

Too bad Obama doesn't show millions of illegals the door!