Limiting gun ownership will reduce gun crime???

[REDhed]

Tell me how that makes any sense? Contrary to the liberal BS, gun ownership in America is down about 40% in the past 30 years while the gun crime rate has exploded. How could anybody think that limiting availability of guns will bring about a reduction in gun crime?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...a-30-year-low/

Bum link, sorry but the numbers are still right.

http://www.newsweek.com/us-gun-ownership-declines-312822

 

[platoonDaddy]

Tell me how that makes any sense? Contrary to the liberal BS, gun ownership in America is down about 40% in the past 40 years while the gun crime rate has exploded. How could anybody think that limiting availability of guns will bring about a reduction in gun crime?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...a-30-year-low/

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[Mr H]

It's a Red Herring and anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together knows it.

Thus, only Progressives believe it.

Firearm ownership is at an all-time high, and (generally speaking) violent crime is down.

It's only the pockets of D-controlled urban areas (Bodymorgue, Chiraq, Milwhackyou, etc.) where the numbers of firearms crimes/homicides are up.

 

[DanGuy48]

The USA has been experiencing record gun sales for something like 15 straight months, meaning every month has surpassed the previous month's record over 15 times in a row on a monthly basis. See for example:

http://crimeresearch.org/2016/01/re...background-checks-than-previous-highest-year/

According to mdshooters' tracking of HQL, just since Passage of SB281 two+ years ago, approximately one out of every 100 people in the state of Maryland has purchased a regulated firearm, in Marylandistan of all places. Concealed carry nationwide is at all time highs because of the preponderance of "shall issue" states in the nation. In short, none (except agenda driven anti-gun propaganda) of the data available, including Obama's own mandated study in 2013 support more guns = more crime.

 

[REDhed]

Ahhh... Okay I might be wrong, please explain these stats?

http://www.norc.org/PDFs/GSS Reports/GSS_Trends in Gun Ownership_US_1972-2014.pdf

http://www.npr.org/2016/01/05/462017461/guns-in-america-by-the-numbers

http://www.newsweek.com/us-gun-ownership-declines-312822

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/03/12/is-gun-ownership-really-down-in-america.html

 

[nmyers]

Liberal blogs, especially those funded by George Soros, & liberal colleges that benefit financially from federally funded "studies" of crime, tend to publish fake statistics.

"There are 3 kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, & statistics." --- unknown

 

[ted76]

Tell me how that makes any sense? Contrary to the liberal BS, gun ownership in America is down about 40% in the past 30 years while the gun crime rate has exploded. How could anybody think that limiting availability of guns will bring about a reduction in gun crime?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...a-30-year-low/

Bum link, sorry but the numbers are still right.

http://www.newsweek.com/us-gun-ownership-declines-312822

Not included in that 32% of Americans that said that they owned gun, is probably another 20% of legal gun owners that will not answer yes to that question from some random phone caller/pollster and then there is the 10% of illegal gun owners that wouldn't answer that question either. I am sure that the polling sample is quite small, probably less that 1000 people and depending on what area codes were called the survey could be way off on it's numbers.

 

[Mark75H]

Yes, the left is trying to convince people that very few people have guns ... and that those who do want guns are criminals or insane (or both).

And they say we are crazy ...

 

[REDhed]

Liberal blogs, especially those funded by George Soros, & liberal colleges that benefit financially from federally funded "studies" of crime, tend to publish fake statistics.

"There are 3 kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, & statistics." --- unknown

OK, I have provided various links to support my statistics, from NPR to Fox news. Where are your statistics proving they are wrong.

What you are missing is that if Joe buys another 12 guns, and Manual buys another 4, and Mohammed buys another 6, the numbers of people owning guns has not increased. Logically, a increase in gun sales does not automatically translate to a wider number of households owning a gun.

Show me the source for your information that says the number of households/people owning guns is at an all time high.

The libs agree with you BTW>

 

[WeaponsCollector]

FBI NICS data says last month Americans had nearly 2million background checks for new guns setting another record for something like the 13th straight month.
Meanwhile as the cries for "common sense gun bans" get louder, fewer Americans are saying they own guns.
I don't own any guns. Lost them all in a horrible boating accident.

 

[REDhed]

And so gun owners bought more guns... You are agreeing with the gun grabbers. They say more guns = more crime. That is false... there are more guns but fewer gun owners, therefore gun crimes in America are exploding not because there are more gun owners but because there are more criminals.

Hello Mr. Liberal!

 

[mopar92]

Ahhh... Okay I might be wrong, please explain these stats?

http://www.norc.org/PDFs/GSS Reports/GSS_Trends in Gun Ownership_US_1972-2014.pdf

http://www.npr.org/2016/01/05/462017461/guns-in-america-by-the-numbers

http://www.newsweek.com/us-gun-ownership-declines-312822

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/03/12/is-gun-ownership-really-down-in-america.html

Look up the Kellerman gun study controversy.
One of the liberal think tanks hired a dude to prove guns are bad, to do so he included suicides, firearms accidents, failed attempts at self defense etc, in the homicides section, basically he lumped in everything like gun within 1000 yards of you when you died as a "gun violence homicide".
Then for more fun, in the children killed with firearms, he included dubious numbers such as underage gangbangers, suicides, hunting accidents and others in the same group.

The study was bought and paid for to prove gun violence was bad and they fudged the numbers to prove their point. Start biased end biased.

If you look up the statistics released by NICS and the CDC's causes of death statistics the average number of firearms sold has gone up while violent homicide has gone down.

 

[ted76]

OK, I have provided various links to support my statistics, from NPR to Fox news. Where are your statistics proving they are wrong.

What you are missing is that if Joe buys another 12 guns, and Manual buys another 4, and Mohammed buys another 6, the numbers of people owning guns has not increased. Logically, a increase in gun sales does not automatically translate to a wider number of households owning a gun.

Show me the source for your information that says the number of households/people owning guns is at an all time high.

I'm not saying that the number of households/people is at an all time high. I think the number of households/people owning guns is still holding steady in the 50% range of ownership. People are less likely to talk about it to strangers over the phone these days about owning guns and less people have a land line phone than ever before and therefore are not covered in these polls.
I agree that people that already own guns are responsible for the majority of new and secondary market gun purchases. I fall in that group as do most of us on MDS.
Almost all polls and statistics can be pushed/manipulated to show the results that the poll taker/statistician wants. Just remember that everyone of those news organizations except Fox and maybe Gallup, have shown anti 2A leaning in the past.

 

[davsco]

anti's throwing crap against the wall to see what will stick. i have an idea, how about putting and keeping violent offenders in jail. let's see how that works.

 

[REDhed]

anti's throwing crap against the wall to see what will stick. i have an idea, how about putting and keeping violent offenders in jail. let's see how that works.

Ted is right... 100% right. My purpose here is to urge everybody to think logically and not accept bologna just because it sounds or feels right.

Recently there was a bogus rumor that Obummer had banned the Pledge of Allegiance. It was obvious spam but I couldn't believe the huge numbers of people that bought the lie hook, line, and sinker.

My point is question, question, question. Never believe anything on the internet that you can't find several sources from different sites to support what you are seeing.

 

[Blacksmith101]

The correct way of stating the results of their poll should have been.

People admitting to gun ownership is down over 40%.

A poll will never get an accurate answer to any sensitive question especially one that has been highly politicized. Really comprehensive polls will try to solicit the same information in several ways and will scale responses as to probable accuracy. There are other reasons that cause errors in polls. There is a portion of the population who will never take part in any poll. There is another segment of the population who delight in purposefully lying to pollsters. And there are pollsters who intentionally bias the questions they ask and the sample demographics they use in order to get the results they or their clients want.

I went to the web site of the GSS (original poll) but was unable to access either the actual questions asked nor the specific data for the responses to the firearms question or questions, apparently you need access to special statistics software. I think an important detail that was not reported is how many respondents refused to answer that question and was the number of refusals in line with other less controversial questions asked?

 

[K31]

The correct way of stating the results of their poll should have been.

People admitting to gun ownership is down over 40%.

A poll will never get an accurate answer to any sensitive question especially one that has been highly politicized. Really comprehensive polls will try to solicit the same information in several ways and will scale responses as to probable accuracy. There are other reasons that cause errors in polls. There is a portion of the population who will never take part in any poll. There is another segment of the population who delight in purposefully lying to pollsters. And there are pollsters who intentionally bias the questions they ask and the sample demographics they use in order to get the results they or their clients want.

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!

 

[K31]

And so gun owners bought more guns... You are agreeing with the gun grabbers. They say more guns = more crime. That is false... there are more guns but fewer gun owners, therefore gun crimes in America are exploding not because there are more gun owners but because there are more criminals.

Hello Mr. Liberal!

So long...

 

[Isaakb]

This is all just a bunch of propaganda. To quote Winston Churchill: "I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself" and Mark Twain but may be British Prime minister Benjamin Disraeli (nobody knows): "There are three kinds of lies; Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics". So the moral of the story is that statistics lie. They can be interpreted in any way that suits the reader/researcher and they are subject to research bias and confirmation bias. Both are pitfalls of statistical reporting.

IMO If responsible gun owners were out there killing people with guns, there would be a lot more deaths. More guns might equal more deaths in certain parts of the world, but in the USA there is no correlation between the number of guns legally purchased and gun related deaths. There is no correlation and, as we all know, correlation is not causation anyway.

 

[Mike]

Just one fast google search result. Graph from CDC data.

http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/cnsnewscom-staff/more-guns-less-gun-violence-between-1993-and-2013

In contrast to the widely embraced narrative, perpetuated by liberal politicians and the media, that gun violence in America is getting worse all the time, the data reveal that the exact opposite is true.

According to data retrieved from the Centers for Disease Control, there were 7 firearm-related homicides for every 100,000 Americans in 1993 (see light blue line in chart). By 2013 (most recent year available), the gun homicide rate had fallen by nearly 50 percent to only 3.6 homicides per 100,000 population.