HPRB August 16, 2016 Meeting Thread

[BeoBill]

Totality of the Circumstances. See Woollard.

No documented threat actually required. Read the statute.

Does any objective individual think the wheel chair bound applicant didn't articulate a reasonable fear of apprehended danger? Maybe those that wanted to play God and decide she couldn't exercise a fundamental right?

Improvement? Yes. Inconsistency? Yes. Inconsistency breeds contempt for the process.

Forget the rest of the MSP wannabe lawyer BS.

DAMN right!

 

[montoya32]

The meeting was disgusting. If a DEA employee, with a top secret clearance, part of the OPM breach, that works in the DEA headquarters and represents the DEA at various conventions and seminars, can't get a permit, then no one should have a permit.

The audacity is Bonnell to say that it is possible for someone to recognize the DEA employee outside of work, but unlikely that anything would happen, blew me away. HE CARRIES HIS FIREARM FOR THAT VERY REASON!


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[Schipperke]

.. and just wait when Hillary wins

 

[GrimReaper]

The MSP and board members are a ****ing joke. They are pathetic.

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[rambling_one]

So will the Board overturn MSP LD in favor of protecting "everybody's grandma"?

She brings up health issues and the 2A; her instructor brings up the ADA. LD brings up the lack of G&S. The Board is ashamed. BAM - she loses!

We need her to testify at the MGA's next session.

I assume the irony wasn't lost when, on the one hand, Mr. Wilson announced that in the interest of the Board's safety everyone attending a hearing will once again be body scanned while, on the other hand, concluding that the applicant failed to adequately articulate her perceived apprehended danger.

 

[buellsfurn]

a well organized CPA gets his CCW but the trained DEA agent gets denied just tuning in so i may have missed something

 

[AntiGun]

a well organized CPA gets his CCW but the trained DEA agent gets denied just tuning in so i may have missed something

Leave out any semblance of reason and just accept that it's all show. The system works exactly how it was intended, as a deterrent to law abiding citizens who aren't special enough.

 

[Not_an_outlaw]

Next up, DEA IT contractor (I'm assuming Help Desk). On the "Regulatory side;" his supervisor categorizes his position as Low Risk. Brings out his OPM letter. References MSP "Assumed Risk" provision. He keeps repeating that he works for DEA. HE GAVE THEM A COPY OF HIS "CREDENTIALS" - if that's his badge/CAC he's just committed a violation. Gotta run; back later.

I'm pretty sure you can copy your CAC. The law that is often cited, was written before copy machines were invented.

 

[highli99]

a well organized CPA gets his CCW but the trained DEA agent gets denied just tuning in so i may have missed something

My ears were itching. Yes, this is what happens and the well organized CPA thinks it's just as shameful as you do. The night I won a guy lost who went to Afghanistan with Seals and the Taliban threatened him by name. Yep, he got Knob'd by the MSP just like the DEA employee tonight.

P.S. Starchuski is still a coward.

 

[montoya32]

The board STILL does not understand their position. Leggum even told them these hearings are Denovo, "from the beginning", "anew", "affresh". This means they make their own decision and do not rely on the decision made by the MSP to agree with or against it. They are to make a decision on the presentation given by the applicant. The comment tonight that "our hands are tied by the law" was insane. I wish the board would have pointed out where the female applicant did not fulfill the requirements to receive a permit. She was not disqualified. The SP just have extra-legislative requirements to obtain a permit. The MSP SOPs should have ZERO bearing on the review board. The board needs to make sure each applicant is not prohibited, has completed the required training and has given an acceptable reason for requesting a permit(self-defense). The law does not require police reports, references, witnesses or employer confirmation or contact.

Also, where a permit may or may not be carried is of no concern to the board. Asking an applicant if they are allowed to carry a firearm into a Hallmark store is irrelevant.

 

[Stoveman]

I'm going to do something different and grade tonight on the Liberty Scale.


Lack of 5th Member: F Seriously, it's not that hard, any of us in the gallery could do the job better than most on the current board.

Patty West: F Not one question of any applicant, appears aloof, when words were actually spoken they were motions to sustain the MSP

Jacque Cowan: D- The "Silent Cal" impersonator actually interjected a cogent thought and it came off as inter agency rivalry.

Holman: A- One of the few who actually questions applicants and the MSP and exercises independent thought.

Wilson: B- Seemed like he felt resigned that the two members to his right who, for most of the night were impersonating Lot's wife*, would drag any vote to a draw.

Building security policy: F Explaining the new sign in policy as security for the board came off as both petty and petulant. Not the best night for the chairman.

Location: A Much less chance of a homicide occurring in the parking lot during the meeting.

Security: F Sign in procedure inconsistent and worthless. Security theater.



* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lot's_wife


Mother Freedom is shaking her head and frowning with disapproval.......

 

[highli99]

I'm going to do something different and grade tonight on the Liberty Scale.


Lack of 5th Member: F Seriously, it's not that hard, any of us in the gallery could do the job better than most on the current board.

Patty West: F Not one question of any applicant, appears aloof, when words were actually spoken they were motions to sustain the MSP

Jacque Cowan: D- The "Silent Cal" impersonator actually interjected a cogent thought and it came off as inter agency rivalry.

Holman: A- One of the few who actually questions applicants and the MSP and exercises independent thought.

Wilson: B- Seemed like he felt resigned that the two members to his right who, for most of the night were impersonating Lot's wife, would drag any vote to a draw.

Building security policy: F Explaining the new sign in policy as security for the board came off as both petty and petulant. Not the best night for the chairman.

Location: A Much less chance of a homicide occurring in the parking lot during the meeting.

Security: F Sign in procedure inconsistent and worthless. Security theater.


Mother Freedom is shaking her head and frowning with disapproval.......

So still better than BALTIMORE City School system?

 

[Stoveman]

So still better than BALTIMORE City School system?

Barely, but that's a low bar.....

 

[BeoBill]

I assume the irony wasn't lost when, on the one hand, Mr. Wilson announced that in the interest of the Board's safety everyone attending a hearing will once again be body scanned while, on the other hand, concluding that the applicant failed to adequately articulate her perceived apprehended danger.

That wasn't irony; that was hypocrisy.

 

[BeoBill]

a well organized CPA gets his CCW but the trained DEA agent gets denied just tuning in so i may have missed something

He was a DEA IT CONTRACTOR. If he was a DEA LEO it would have been a different story. The Board AND the MSP both said as much. Even his supervisor said he was at low risk. The strongest card he held was the OPM breach, and that didn't hold water either.

Just sayin'...

 

[BeoBill]

Leave out any semblance of reason and just accept that it's all show. The system works exactly how it was intended, as a deterrent to law abiding citizens who aren't special enough.

EXACTLY!

 

[BeoBill]

I'm pretty sure you can copy your CAC. The law that is often cited, was written before copy machines were invented.

Nope, sorry. I used to issue them (Trusted Agent - look it up). It's a Federal requirement that it not be copied because of the danger of forgery.

 

[montoya32]

He was a DEA IT CONTRACTOR. If he was a DEA LEO it would have been a different story. The Board AND the MSP both said as much. Even his supervisor said he was at low risk. The strongest card he held was the OPM breach, and that didn't hold water either.

Just sayin'...

But like he said, he wears DEA swag, he is identified in public at events as DEA and go goes in and out of DEA headquarters everyday. Add in that he is part of the OPM breach should have pushed it over the top, but I forgot, no one has any interest in gaining access to any of the DEA's electronic processes or information. Not like that has ever happened before.

 

[Stoveman]

He was a DEA IT CONTRACTOR. If he was a DEA LEO it would have been a different story. The Board AND the MSP both said as much. Even his supervisor said he was at low risk. The strongest card he held was the OPM breach, and that didn't hold water either.

Just sayin'...

Is he not part of the DEA? Aren't agents and non agents all on the same team and striving to achieve the same goals?

Somehow the IT guy doesn't contribute to stopping the flow of illegal drugs?

 

[montoya32]

Is he not part of the DEA? Aren't agents and non agents all on the same team and striving to achieve the same goals?

Somehow the IT guy doesn't contribute to stopping the flow of illegal drugs?

Line them all up and you tell me which are LE and which are regulatory.