From the Abortion Ruling..

[chilipeppermaniac]

Right to choose occurred before the act of sex

YUP. AND I know there is considerable evidence that MANY women who have abortions suffer in subsequent years from the mental anguish and guilt and other effects of killing their babies.

 

[rockstarartist]

hmmm....

but it is that freedom of choice that we hold dear, is it not?

So by your ideology, you deem that the right to choose an abortion should not be given.

How different is that from the ideology of another who states you should not have the choice to own a firearm?

I believe that we all have the right to make responsible choices for ourselves. We will regret some choices, and others we will relish. But it is that fundamental right to be allowed to make that choice on your own volition that is important.

I choose to own a firearm.
I choose to be a responsible citizen.
I choose to believe in no god.
I choose to not care whether some one is married, religious, colored, gay, foreign, handicap, pro-life or pro-choice.
I choose to help my family, friends, neighbors, and strangers in need.
I choose to be a patriot, and it pains me when my country blunders... but I am filled with joy when my country does the right thing.

What i see, is that people from many different aisles, of different experiences, and different ideologies attempting to prevent the possibility of choice to those whom sit on the other side of the fence.

It is difficult to walk in the shoes of the other, our sensibilities have been our own since birth... we, unfortunately, cannot sense the sensations of another.

So I would celebrate SCOTUS's decision as:
All right, people can still make a choice on that subject(whether you care, or whether you would make one decision over the other.) What can I do to make sure that on a subject I care about, people will continue to have a choice.

 

[Elliotte]

hmmm....

but it is that freedom of choice that we hold dear, is it not?

So by your ideology, you deem that the right to choose an abortion should not be given.

How different is that from the ideology of another who states you should not have the choice to own a firearm?

The difference is that an abortion kills a human being who had committed no crime. Owning weapons by itself does not kill any other humans. And in the instances where a weapon is used to kill another human it is either a crime (murder, negligence, etc) or it is done in self-defense to prevent or stop a crime.

 

[TheRussianNightmare]

Right to choose occurred before the act of sex

Responsibility is NOT a liberal darling, like abortion.

I am a bit conflicted with abortion. I don't like it, but I believe in freedom, and the freedom to choose.

I think this ruling does give the 2A some ammunition. How is a getting HQL (fingerprints, paperwork, wait for approval), and 7 day wait for regulated firearms NOT an "undue burden" to an ENUMERATED RIGHT?

 

[kohburn]

So by your ideology, you deem that the [ability] to choose [to murder an innocent child] should not be given.

yes because

all have the natural right to LIFE, LIBERTY, and the PURSUIT of happiness.

liberty does not trump life, and the pursuit of happiness does not guarantee happiness nor does it trump another's liberty or life.

only when one tries to deny another of their life and liberty do they forfeit their rights.

 

[clandestine]

Freedom to murder. Thats some Liberal 101 logic there.

 

[Mightydog]

I'll add...most people I know who are rabid pro choice are also rabid against capital punishment.
So gtg with killing true innocence but staunchly opposed to killing evil.

Exactly! abortion IS NOT birth control!!! But you have a lot of people who consider it such. "I don't use no condoms baby, if my boyfriend knocks me up I's just go gets me an abortion sugar". And for Texas to put guidelines on clinics for the safety of the woman and being told "it's an unnecessary burden" is total BS!!! See what happens when these backstreet butcher shops start having problem and then the same people will cry "where is our protection and and quality of treatment" well you get what you deserve when they use that rusty coat hanger on you. A shame your mother didn't consider that when you were "conceived". like the same assholes saying to require a photo ID for voting is a burden because people may not have the ability to get to a place to get the ID. Total ********!

 

[Mightydog]

yes because

all have the natural right to LIFE, LIBERTY, and the PURSUIT of happiness.

liberty does not trump life, and the pursuit of happiness does not guarantee happiness nor does it trump another's liberty or life.

only when one tries to deny another of their life and liberty do they forfeit their rights.

Unless your a radical Muslim!! Oh wait, our Muslim in Chief said there is no such thing. They just want a hug and a kiss. How about a "tap" with my 45? Seems like our current government believes that special interest groups deserve their happiness over everyone else's Liberty. Nuff said!

 

[Z_Man]

I don't want the government regulating abortions anymore than I want it regulating anything else. if its legal, let it happen, if you don't like the way its happening... well.... then make it illegal. legal or not, the government doesn't need to regulate everything going on. if someone wants to abort their child, let em, who am I to judge. I just see no reason for the .gov to have to dictate regulations. if some doc wants to do it in his basement... and he has willing customers? why not? he is responsible for what happens. if something goes wrong toss him in jail.

we need to stop protecting people from themselves... abortions, guns, drugs, prostitutes, alcohol, marriage, fireworks, zoo enclosures, wildlife, camping, fishing, collecting rainwater, hunting, raising livestock, which religion people believe in, or do not .... get the government out of it all. I don't like the rationale used, but I agree with the outcome.

 

[gamer_jim]

The part that gets me is that choice to murder is ok, but our right to self defense is not.

 

[wilcam47]

Abortion is pure evil. The courts justify is however they want.

Im sure those supporting abortion on their judgement day will try to put it off on the woman who had the abortion rather than own up to the fact they had just as much say in it as the woman who had the abortion.

 

[chilipeppermaniac]

hmmm....

but it is that freedom of choice that we hold dear, is it not?

So by your ideology, you deem that the right to choose an abortion should not be given.

How different is that from the ideology of another who states you should not have the choice to own a firearm?

I believe that we all have the right to make responsible choices for ourselves. We will regret some choices, and others we will relish. But it is that fundamental right to be allowed to make that choice on your own volition that is important.

I choose to own a firearm.
I choose to be a responsible citizen.
I choose to believe in no god.
I choose to not care whether some one is married, religious, colored, gay, foreign, handicap, pro-life or pro-choice.
I choose to help my family, friends, neighbors, and strangers in need.
I choose to be a patriot, and it pains me when my country blunders... but I am filled with joy when my country does the right thing.

What i see, is that people from many different aisles, of different experiences, and different ideologies attempting to prevent the possibility of choice to those whom sit on the other side of the fence.

It is difficult to walk in the shoes of the other, our sensibilities have been our own since birth... we, unfortunately, cannot sense the sensations of another.

So I would celebrate SCOTUS's decision as:
All right, people can still make a choice on that subject(whether you care, or whether you would make one decision over the other.) What can I do to make sure that on a subject I care about, people will continue to have a choice.

Not attacking you or anything, rockstarartist.... but
So by this logic, One could choose to drive 150 mph on public highways, yell fire in crowded theaters, abduct and sexually abuse little kids and maybe re enact the practices of Jeffery Dahmer or Charles Manson and hoard underage girls in underground bunkers, and go around setting fires to all abortion clinics and applaud at shootings like the Orlando Gay Bar ordeal because this all makes sense to me as I walk in my shoes. Afterall this is America and I have the right to pursuit of happiness as I see it reasonable to do so despite all these things currently being against the law.

Or as I would have it, I drive the speed limit or at most 5-10 mph over if pushed by traffic in order to be safe, I watch movies politely, teach kids by good example, hate the sick crimes of those such as Dahmer, Manson,Orlando Shooter, and other acts of loose cannons that cause pain and suffering in our country.

As far as equating the right to choose abortions to the right to choose to bear arms, there is SOME validity to that argument. However, the choice to NOT have a kid should be made PRIOR to intercourse. Sadly, and as is sanctioned from ROE v Wade, the abortion choice involves killing someone, unlike your choices to be accepting of gays, choose no God, be a responsible citizen and a good Samaritan to those in need etc.

So somehow, I think despite what the law says or anyone who says women deserve the choice to abort, I have to be saddened that terminating a life is nothing more than another choice like getting a Big Mac instead of Filet o Fish and there is nothing we can do to prevent another 500000 killings before year's end.
Tongue n Cheek-----It also seems like quite a fair trade, 50 Orlando shooting victims = world wide press and outcry to ban AR 15's Large "clips" etc VS. we are good to go as Abortionists perform potentially 1,000,000 abortions nationwide by year's end and I am sure it all stays in force because to change anything would cause loss of $$$ to those who profit from the legally endorsed industry.
And conversely, control of citizens and the profits that will funnel to those who eliminate gun ownership, ammo, shooting supplies etc are in the firing line and currently aimed for by the libs. They are fighting tooth and nail to ram this down our throats like the Nazi's did. 2A elimination will be right around the corner and a right taken away if we do not see it for what it is before it is too late.

 

[RoadDawg]

Libtard definition...

Orlando = 50 late term abortions.

Libtard reasoning...

We must ban guns that were not used there.

 

[chilipeppermaniac]

The part that gets me is that choice to murder is ok, but our right to self defense is not.

A good point, Jim, also, in addition to our right to self defense being impinged, the anti gunners are placing the blame for gun related crimes on us and the guns themselves. As redundant as it is to say this, they need to put the blame on the real criminals and use real enforcement of the laws already on the books etc.

But we know that lessening crime is not their ultimate goal, Control is.
So, Our job should be to defend our rights against all foes who will stop at nothing in attacking the 2A rights to defend ourselves, our loved ones and even strangers and even a lib or 2 if they get in trouble without any protection.

 

[j_h_smith]

Some "rights" are more equal than others.

Abortion isn't a Right.

 

[SPQM]

This may be the best thing to happen to firearm rights in a long time.

Read closely the court's ruling; there are a bunch of golden paragraphs that we can lift verbatim and use to beat other courts with.

SCOTUS may have miscalculated badly with this one. They can't back down from what they said in the ruling without losing face, and what they said in this one is at odds legally with things they said in other cases.

They just BSODed a good bunch of stuff here.

 

[Schipperke]

Donohue and Levitt point to the fact that males aged 18 to 24 are most likely to commit crimes. Data indicates that crime in the United States started to decline in 1992. Donohue and Levitt suggest that the absence of unwanted children, following legalization in 1973, led to a reduction in crime 18 years later, starting in 1992 and dropping sharply in 1995. These would have been the peak crime-committing years of the unborn children.

 

[MikeTF]

Abortion is pure evil. The courts justify is however they want.

Spiritual truth!

 

[yellowfin]

hmmm....

but it is that freedom of choice that we hold dear, is it not?

So by your ideology, you deem that the right to choose an abortion should not be given.

How different is that from the ideology of another who states you should not have the choice to own a firearm?

For one, my tax dollars and insurance premiums currently subsidize abortion against my will, whereas not a single dime of anyone else's money goes to me to buy guns or ammo against their wishes. There is also a matter of preferential treatment, not just neutral, by the law. It's not that they merely wish to take for themselves what they want by their own means, but that they steal from everyone else to do it, and wish to have greater consideration by the law than everyone else engaging in virtually anything else.

Also, while they may say that guns too often kill people (which they never do, only the decision that one person makes to kill another does) while they also have beneficial uses which harm no one, it is 100% a fact that abortion has no other intent than to kill someone 100% of the time.

 

[rockstarartist]

Not attacking you or anything, rockstarartist.... but
So by this logic, One could choose to drive 150 mph on public highways, yell fire in crowded theaters, abduct and sexually abuse little kids and maybe re enact the practices of Jeffery Dahmer or Charles Manson and hoard underage girls in underground bunkers, and go around setting fires to all abortion clinics and applaud at shootings like the Orlando Gay Bar ordeal because this all makes sense to me as I walk in my shoes. Afterall this is America and I have the right to pursuit of happiness as I see it reasonable to do so despite all these things currently being against the law.

Or as I would have it, I drive the speed limit or at most 5-10 mph over if pushed by traffic in order to be safe, I watch movies politely, teach kids by good example, hate the sick crimes of those such as Dahmer, Manson,Orlando Shooter, and other acts of loose cannons that cause pain and suffering in our country.

As far as equating the right to choose abortions to the right to choose to bear arms, there is SOME validity to that argument. However, the choice to NOT have a kid should be made PRIOR to intercourse. Sadly, and as is sanctioned from ROE v Wade, the abortion choice involves killing someone, unlike your choices to be accepting of gays, choose no God, be a responsible citizen and a good Samaritan to those in need etc.

So somehow, I think despite what the law says or anyone who says women deserve the choice to abort, I have to be saddened that terminating a life is nothing more than another choice like getting a Big Mac instead of Filet o Fish and there is nothing we can do to prevent another 500000 killings before year's end.
Tongue n Cheek-----It also seems like quite a fair trade, 50 Orlando shooting victims = world wide press and outcry to ban AR 15's Large "clips" etc VS. we are good to go as Abortionists perform potentially 1,0000,000 abortions nationwide by year's end and I am sure it all stays in force because to change anything would cause loss of $$$ to those who profit from the legally endorsed industry.
And conversely, control of citizens and the profits that will funnel to those who eliminate gun ownership, ammo, shooting supplies etc are in the firing line and currently aimed for by the libs. They are fighting tooth and nail to ram this down our throats like the Nazi's did. 2A elimination will be right around the corner and a right taken away if we do not see it for what it is before it is too late.

Whoa Buddy! I am not condoning rampages and senseless killing. You are recontextualizing my words

But.... Yes, you do have that choice don't you? But you don't do it, it is not nice. Your community won't like you doing that stuff, they may throw you in jail, or worse (depending on where you live) or maybe they won't do anything (again, depending on where you live.) We live our lives continually hoping that someone won't make that choice. But look at Orlando, Turkey, Paris, Boston, 911, etc. People make that choice, no matter the law.

But is abortion really killing someone, willy-nilly? When are you classifying a fetus as a someone (or the emotionally charged word, Baby)? In the zygote stage? When its a Blastocyst? When its an Embryo? When its a fetus? When the fetus has a sex?

When is the choice appropriate and right for you? When is it not for you? Can I truly understand the reasoning behind someone making the abortion choice? I don't know.

But here is something, I have a hard time coming to grips over abortions after the fetus has existed for over 23 weeks. Why, because it can survive outside the mothers body... but again, should it be completely prevented? What if the woman's life is at risk, what if the fetus has complication that will prevent it from living outside the womb? I don't know, and I would rather a woman make that decision with her doctor and trusted companion than for me to force that decision. I am not qualified to make that choice for someone.

I also believe that it is demeaning to women to generalize them all in a category that they are using abortion as a contraceptive and its like choosing a Big Mac with extra cheese at the local Mickey D's.

Basically, what I am trying to say is that things are much more complicated, then "You are killing someone."

I would also like to add that the 2nd amendment is in essence sanctioning the killing of someone. You bear arms to defend yourself, thereby you maybe killing someone... such a decision is not made lightly. I hope that I am never in a position to have to exercise that right, but I also hope that no one ever takes that right from me.

Its all tough stuff...