Fauxchohontas on gun control

[swinokur]

disgusting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...gun-control-backers-are-sick-of-playing-nice/

 

[Decoy]

These gun control advocates don't really give a shit about anyone; they just can't stand the idea that they don't have total control something.

 

[fred333]

These gun control advocates don't really give a shit about anyone; they just can't stand the idea that they don't have total control something.

Wrong. They really think that eliminating all guns will likewise eliminate all violence and war. Not logical, but it is what they believe. And, as is evidenced here, both sides tend to misunderstand the other, which just fans the flames.

 

[Mr. Ed]

Wrong. They really think that eliminating all guns will likewise eliminate all violence and war. Not logical, but it is what they believe. And, as is evidenced here, both sides tend to misunderstand the other, which just fans the flames.

The only thing it would do is allow them to take over our country and turn it into the dictatorship that they've been dreaming about since Saul Alinsky started preaching his commie rhetoric.

 

[Boom Boom]

Wrong. They really think that eliminating all guns will likewise eliminate all violence and war. Not logical, but it is what they believe. And, as is evidenced here, both sides tend to misunderstand the other, which just fans the flames.

Continuing that thought, they quasi-religiously believe in all-knowing, all-powerful government. A government they expect to coddle and protect them from every conceivable "bad" thing. It's sick. It's delusional. It's highly immature. They fail to realize that the big-brother, utopian government they so desire always manifests itself as a tyranny and/or malevolent dictatorship that actively rejects freedom and self-reliance.

 

[r3t1awr3yd]

Wrong. They really think that eliminating all guns will likewise eliminate all violence and war. Not logical, but it is what they believe. And, as is evidenced here, both sides tend to misunderstand the other, which just fans the flames.

That same illogical thinking is what's causing folks to equate terrorism with guns instead of terrorism with fear.

 

[Boom Boom]

That same illogical thinking is what's causing folks to equate terrorism with guns instead of terrorism with fear.

The idiotic mentality whereby they think the answer is to hold all gun owners responsible and disarm the law-abiding public instead of acting like an adult and weeding out terrorists, especially by way of profiling.

 

[r3t1awr3yd]

You guys are missing the steps that I'd venture to say that most people don't see though. All people see is what they're told. Assuming that 70% of Americans watch and believe the TV, they're being told that had this guy not had an "Assault Rifle", everyone at the club wouldn't be dead. So all they believe is "assault rifle" = lots o' death.

MOST people won't get into definitions because that's where the majority of arguments conversations get broken down.

Every exchange about these types of things I've ever had comes full circle to the truth that freedom comes at a cost. Not just the cost of people who die for it but the unknown costs of unpredictability. You never know what person is going to have a horrible day and drive off a bridge or drive into oncoming traffic or just drive home and get over it. Free will allows for those things (and more). So the natural reaction to tragedy is to restrict the amount of free will we have and we've been doing it for years. (just look at your car's mandatory "safety" features).

So you can call it idiotic mentality but it'd hard to fault the people who are just products of the system we've created. The solution lies in education (not school, real education). We just need to develop it in a manner that works for more than 1 person at a time (which seems to be the only effective way I've ever transferred knowledge about rights, liberty, and guns).

 

[Boom Boom]

You guys are missing the steps that I'd venture to say that most people don't see though.

We're not missing anything. All of those points, ignorant masses especially, have been discussed in this forum ad nauseam.

 

[ComeGet]

Another step toward labeling all gun owners and 2A supporters as terrorists and criminals so that we can be disarmed, neutralized and/or rounded up.

 

[Decoy]

Wrong. They really think that eliminating all guns will likewise eliminate all violence and war. Not logical, but it is what they believe. And, as is evidenced here, both sides tend to misunderstand the other, which just fans the flames.

Thanks for letting me know that my opinion is wrong, I'll run it by you first next time.

 

[fidelity]

There's only one political party that seems to want to give aid and comfort to terrorists, and I believe they're the ones redacting transcripts of terrorists stating their motivations to kill Americans.

Waiting for the press to ask Clinton whether she agrees with Warren on those in America in favor of gun rights being terrorist supporters, just to see the skillful triangulation where she says both yes and no (and somehow notes her support of the 2A).

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[j_h_smith]

This is the most important part of the article.

But this isn't about legislative language. This is about November. This is about control of the Senate. This could even be about control of the House of Representatives. Guns have the potential to be a major campaign issue in the presidential race, too.

 

[fidelity]

If Trump doesn't get his sh1t together, it will definitely put the Senate in play (independent of the gun banners, even if they will seek credit to claim political capital post election). I hope he does very soon or the convention in Cleveland will be a battle.

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[DanGuy48]

I think we're going to see a lot more like that illegal Brit who just tried to assassinate Trump. I can't remember how long it's been since I've seen the left so hysterical about anything (Vietnam Nam maybe) as they are about Trump. The weird thing is that he is not what I'd call a right-winger. I guess it's just that he's perceived as hitting them in their most tender areas.

 

[j_h_smith]

I think we're going to see a lot more like that illegal Brit who just tried to assassinate Trump. I can't remember how long it's been since I've seen the left so hysterical about anything (Vietnam Nam maybe) as they are about Trump. The weird thing is that he is not what I'd call a right-winger. I guess it's just that he's perceived as hitting them in their most tender areas.

They're acting that way because he's not just like them. Any type of deviation from their norm is unconscionable.

 

[iH8DemLibz]

You guys are missing the steps that I'd venture to say that most people don't see though. All people see is what they're told. Assuming that 70% of Americans watch and believe the TV, they're being told that had this guy not had an "Assault Rifle", everyone at the club wouldn't be dead. So all they believe is "assault rifle" = lots o' death.

MOST people won't get into definitions because that's where the majority of arguments conversations get broken down.

Every exchange about these types of things I've ever had comes full circle to the truth that freedom comes at a cost. Not just the cost of people who die for it but the unknown costs of unpredictability. You never know what person is going to have a horrible day and drive off a bridge or drive into oncoming traffic or just drive home and get over it. Free will allows for those things (and more). So the natural reaction to tragedy is to restrict the amount of free will we have and we've been doing it for years. (just look at your car's mandatory "safety" features).

So you can call it idiotic mentality but it'd hard to fault the people who are just products of the system we've created. The solution lies in education (not school, real education). We just need to develop it in a manner that works for more than 1 person at a time (which seems to be the only effective way I've ever transferred knowledge about rights, liberty, and guns).

Very good post.

I've found that way too many folks get down right angry when other folks try to educate them. And not about core beliefs. Just irrefutable facts and statistics.

They go into la, la, la, la, la, I can't hear you, mode. Almost as if the truth is already inside them. And if pushed, the truth will come out. Then they won't be accepted by all the others living within their little circle of GenX and Millennial denial.

It's down right maddening sometimes. If folks want to remain stupid and ignorant, fine with me. But please don't ask us to stick our heads in the sand because it makes them more comfortable.

Ron Smith's fork will have one hell of a workout around 2035.

 

[fred333]

Thanks for letting me know that my opinion is wrong, I'll run it by you first next time.

Run it by him:

 

[Stoic58]

I think we're going to see a lot more like that illegal Brit who just tried to assassinate Trump. I can't remember how long it's been since I've seen the left so hysterical about anything (Vietnam Nam maybe) as they are about Trump. The weird thing is that he is not what I'd call a right-winger. I guess it's just that he's perceived as hitting them in their most tender areas.

Certain elements within the Left want unfettered illegal immigration, followed by a fast track to citizenship and/or voting rights. This would effectively turn the U.S. into a single-party state.

Trump could derail this plan, and the Left knows it. That's why they're hysterical.

 

[INMY01TA]

Wrong. They really think that eliminating all guns will likewise eliminate all violence and war. Not logical, but it is what they believe. And, as is evidenced here, both sides tend to misunderstand the other, which just fans the flames.

Disagree. I'm with Decoy.