HQL Process update

[Mark75H]

U don't need the card physically... Just need to have the number of the hql when approved


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Actually you DO physically need the card. Ask an FFL in MD

 

[j_h_smith]

Actually you DO physically need the card. Ask an FFL in MD

+1

 

[killng]

I bought two guns without the card on hand printed out the number or had a pic of my hql


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[RonK]

I bought two guns without the card on hand printed out the number or had a pic of my hql


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Do the FFL a favor and don't mention their name.

 

[D-Log]

Well, submitted my HQL 8 days ago (12/17). I've only had the metal health checked off (12/22), hope I have it before the end of January

 

[t84a]

Don't they only have 30 days? I'm kind of in the same boat. 12/9 app date.

 

[lonzo]

Got approved on the 23rd it said. Most have been late cause it seemed I was checking till 6-7pm...

 

[Mark75H]

Don't they only have 30 days? I'm kind of in the same boat. 12/9 app date.

That's the letter of the law, but there's no prescribed penalty if they don't follow it.

 

[thedutydoctor]

Congrats lonzo - still waiting on mine to update...

Have fun buying...


Application\License Fee Completed Dec/06/15
MVA Photo Unchecked
LiveScan Unchecked
NICS Unchecked
CJIS Unchecked
MAFSS Unchecked
METERS Unchecked
JIS Unchecked
DJS Unchecked
DHMH Completed Dec/11/15

 

[Rockfish]

That's the letter of the law, but there's no prescribed penalty if they don't follow it.

I'm interested to see this in writing somewhere that you need the card. I have seen an almost 50/50 split of people saying you do or don't need it in hand and only need a number. I certainly don't want to get in trouble but does it even fall on me if the FFL is ok with just having the active number? Where can I read the law?

 

[Mark75H]

I'm interested to see this in writing somewhere that you need the card. I have seen an almost 50/50 split of people saying you do or don't need it in hand and only need a number. I certainly don't want to get in trouble but does it even fall on me if the FFL is ok with just having the active number? Where can I read the law?

You see all kinds of crap posted, what matters is what the FFL actually requires.

I don't think its in the law, but its in the "policy updates" that MSP gives FFL's. FFL's get orders from MSP that they have to follow to keep their MD licenses and fear of revocation works. It falls on the FFL, not you.

Any dealer not demanding to see the card in person is risking their license. You will continue to hear that you don't actually need the card, I guarantee it.

 

[Mark75H]

Prior to 2013 you didn't need to have your MSP safety class card as long as you could put the number on the form.

This changed with the HQL.

I bet the majority of misinformation comes from that old policy.

 

[Rockfish]

You see all kinds of crap posted, what matters is what the FFL actually requires.

I don't think its in the law, but its in the "policy updates" that MSP gives FFL's. FFL's get orders from MSP that they have to follow to keep their MD licenses and fear of revocation works. It falls on the FFL, not you.

Any dealer not demanding to see the card in person is risking their license. You will continue to hear that you don't actually need the card, I guarantee it.

So it isn't actually a law just a MSP policy? How can a police force charged with enforcing the laws on the books basically create a law of their own and call it a policy? I just don't understand how our state police operates this way... it seems like over reach to me. If it's a written law passed by the state and signed by the governor we have to live by it. If not, how is it even enforceable.

 

[Mark75H]

So it isn't actually a law just a MSP policy? How can a police force charged with enforcing the laws on the books basically create a law of their own and call it a policy? I just don't understand how our state police operates this way... it seems like over reach to me. If it's a written law passed by the state and signed by the governor we have to live by it. If not, how is it even enforceable.

Damn! You are just now starting to get this figured out!

There is no live fire requirement in the act passed by the MD GA either ...

 

[swinokur]

Thje MSP web sitesays the card must be POSSESSED when the firearm is purchased. Most FFL's aren't going to jeopardize their license by going agaisnt MSP. The statute basically says the same thing.

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[t84a]

That doesn't make it any clearer.

 

[swinokur]

It means if you don't have the card in your possession, the FFL is not suppos3ed to transfer the firearm

in my not so legal opinion.

 

[Rockfish]

Does the card itself count as the license though? I would have to assume no it does not and the license number is the license. This is very unclear IMO.

 

[swinokur]

"possess" seems clear to me. but IANAL.

if a cop stops you for driving w/o a license, you do have a license, but you don't possess it.

you might get a ticket.

 

[t84a]

"possess" seems clear to me. but IANAL.

if a cop stops you for driving w/o a license, you do have a license, but you don't possess it.

you might get a ticket.

This is actually a good analogy. You don't get a ticket for driving without a license but a ticket for failure to display a license.