How many HQL's are out there

[Nobody]

I searched but found nothing....any one have an idea.

NOBODY

 

[woodstock]

'bout 15 at last count. why?

 

[RonK]

I've seen one...

 

[Nobody]

Just spit balling but I would approximate those with HQL would most likely get a carry permit so while 95 % might (Laughing) be legit it does not represent the ones that would apply if they would get one. I would like the number of HQL w/o permit as when you get a permit you get an HQL.

NOBODY

 

[Pinecone]

If you search, we have numbers from 13 and 14. The numbers are sequential in a year.

I can find someone getting a number it the 4500 range in late Dec 13.

And a Dec 14 number of 15150 range.

And around June 30, 2015, they were around 9600.

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=177968&highlight=number+hql

So if the same pace from June to now, almost 40,000. But, from reports, it might have accelerated.

So we need data from those getting their HQL NOW< and number are you (123xx is close enough

 

[RonK]

I see now... well my HQL issued 11/1/15 is at 149xx...

 

[shoreshot]

Just got mine. Issued 12/8. 0169xx

 

[Blacksmith101]

December of 2013 4,500
December of 2014 15,150
December of 2015 16,900

It looks like the pace is picking up. Total of the above is 36,550 so the total number of HQL's issued is above that.

And from November 1st to December 8th the pace was running better than 50 per day which should put the total for 2015 at about 18,000. The HQL's per day in 2014 was about 43 so the end of year number was around 15,800 so 40,000 total since inception is probably pretty close.

 

[Lou45]

December of 2013 4,500
December of 2014 15,150
December of 2015 16,900

It looks like the pace is picking up. Total of the above is 36,550 so the total number of HQL's issued is above that.

And from November 1st to December 8th the pace was running better than 50 per day which should put the total for 2015 at about 18,000. The HQL's per day in 2014 was about 43 so the end of year number was around 15,800 so 40,000 total since inception is probably pretty close.

Good numbers here. This year should finish out with a total since inception of about 37,000 HQL's issued.

 

[BradyWarrior]

Totally anecdotal, but every time I've been to the range lately their HQL class is slam packed full. Usually 30 or more people. It looks like a lot of soccer moms and dads who are interested in getting their first handgun mixed with a good diverse crowd.

I was at DSG in Rio a couple of weeks back, and saw a few newbs picking up their first HD shotguns. I noticed a well put together older "Bethesda/Potomac type" lady asking abunch of HD gun questions to the clerk. I was in the LGS on Saturday, lots of women browsing and making purchases. My point being is that a lot of people are "on our side". I'd like to do more to get them involved politically.

 

[Pinecone]

No, they are NOT on our side.

They are getting theirs, before they get the laws changed so those other people cannot get them.

DO NOT ASSUME THAT A CASUAL GUN OWNER IS ON OUR SIDE.

 

[BradyWarrior]

No, they are NOT on our side.

They are getting theirs, before they get the laws changed so those other people cannot get them.

DO NOT ASSUME THAT A CASUAL GUN OWNER IS ON OUR SIDE.

That's an interesting opinion. I fail to understand why more potential gun owners is a bad thing. Most of the anti position comes from ignorance and fear.

Having said that, there are dozens of posts on MDS essentially saying they "stocked up before 10/1/2013" and thus don't need an HQL. Isn't that essentially the same thing or potentially worse? At least these new gun owners are spending money at the FFLs on handguns.

 

[T'Challa]

Retired/separated LEO's do not need HQL, correct?

 

[BeoBill]

That's an interesting opinion. I fail to understand why more potential gun owners is a bad thing. Most of the anti position comes from ignorance and fear.

Having said that, there are dozens of posts on MDS essentially saying they "stocked up before 10/1/2013" and thus don't need an HQL. Isn't that essentially the same thing or potentially worse? At least these new gun owners are spending money at the FFLs on handguns.

That's the flaw in your position. Just because someone gets an HQL does NOT in any way guarantee that they will go on to apply for and win a W&C Permit and buy a handgun afterward. There is nothing to prevent them from giving up after a permit denial and just go for a long gun.

Potential =/= actual.

 

[Biggfoot44]

An HQL is not requirement for a W&C Permit. A huge percentage of Permit holders don't have one, and have no intrest in getting one. We tend to extrapolate from ourselves, but in PRM there is little overlap between gun enthusiasts and Permit holders.The large chunk of Permit holders don't own a pistol, and have no need to, they are issued by their employer at start of each shift.

Pinecone's point is that a large chunk of those gun browsing soccer moms and metrosexuals over in PR of MoCo strongly believe that guns are nasty & evil, have no place being owned by the general public, and need to be restricted to the extra special, privledeged people. They just believe THEY are the extra special privledeged people.

 

[Squaregrouper]

Retired/separated LEO's do not need HQL, correct?

Retired= No HQL.
Moreso, retired LEO are candidates for LEOSA exemptions on transport and CCW.

 

[BeoBill]

An HQL is not requirement for a W&C Permit. A huge percentage of Permit holders don't have one, and have no intrest in getting one. We tend to extrapolate from ourselves, but in PRM there is little overlap between gun enthusiasts and Permit holders.

I think we'd all benefit from seeing statistics to back that statement up. So far all the numbers I've seen are guesses. About as accurate as the Guess Your Weight lady at the beach.

The large chunk of Permit holders don't own a pistol, and have no need to, they are issued by their employer at start of each shift.

Huh?

Pinecone's point is that a large chunk of those gun browsing soccer moms and metrosexuals over in PR of MoCo strongly believe that guns are nasty & evil, have no place being owned by the general public, and need to be restricted to the extra special, privledeged people. They just believe THEY are the extra special privledeged people.

But of course. We have plenty of those weasels in PGCo too. And they are the LAST people on earth to pop for the money and effort to get an HQL. But if threatened, they're at the head of the line clamoring for a formerly-evil gun.

 

[BradyWarrior]

That's the flaw in your position. Just because someone gets an HQL does NOT in any way guarantee that they will go on to apply for and win a W&C Permit and buy a handgun afterward. There is nothing to prevent them from giving up after a permit denial and just go for a long gun.

Potential =/= actual.

That's not a flaw in my position, because that's not my position. I did not suggest that a W&C was a prerequisite for a handgun purchase. My position (and I acknowledge that it's just an informed opinion) is that more HQLs are a good thing for Maryland gun owners. I am not suggesting that the HQL program is "good" or anything other than a racket to discourage handgun ownership.

It's fairly well documented that handguns are a common implement of home defense, see McDonald v. Chicago.

 

[Pinecone]

That's an interesting opinion. I fail to understand why more potential gun owners is a bad thing. Most of the anti position comes from ignorance and fear.

Having said that, there are dozens of posts on MDS essentially saying they "stocked up before 10/1/2013" and thus don't need an HQL. Isn't that essentially the same thing or potentially worse? At least these new gun owners are spending money at the FFLs on handguns.

Did I ever say that those people are any better?

A gun owner MIGHT be an asset to our side, but just because they saw the light and bought one, does NOT make them an asset for our side.

Some WILL become 2A supports, others will NOT.

 

[Pinecone]

Pinecone's point is that a large chunk of those gun browsing soccer moms and metrosexuals over in PR of MoCo strongly believe that guns are nasty & evil, have no place being owned by the general public, and need to be restricted to the extra special, privledeged people. They just believe THEY are the extra special privledeged people.

EXACTLY