Security Clearances may now just be G&S

[Blaster229]

I will explain this one more time for you as well as everyone else here. I feel as though I have been a broken record on this and that you can easily go back through the 16 pages on this thread to obtain the information you are looking for, yet you continue to ask for it. If you were an investigator, you would not be doing a very good job so I will once again spell it out for you.

The question is, "what puts you in more danger than any other citizen walking down the street right now?" The answer is simple. As a result of a recent database hacking, where all of my information (ALL information including physical description) was compromised, adversaries intent to do harm to US Military personal now have my home address. Now, based off of recent ISIS releases, such as the one which can be found here: http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015...tary-data-servers-leaked-personnel-addresses/, the islamic state is calling for American based ISIS soldiers to target military personal to attack. Not every citizen walking down the street, military personal by use of their home addresses. So the difference here is, the threat is made towards military personal (which I am part time, not the average citizen) by the use of hacked information (OPM database breach, which I am a part of, not the average citizen), in order to attack. They are not concerned with the average citizen, they want the military and members of the DoD to feel the pain. The average citizen does not have their home address in the hands of islamic militants who want to behead them, I do. So hopefully that answers your question. We only need to show something outside of our own personal paranoia, so the multiple news stories as well as the recent shootings in TN now bring credit to this. As small a chance as it maybe, there is still the chance and that chance is greater than Joe Snuffy walking down the street. Do you disagree with this? My MSP investigator surely did not.

Second, I never made claims to know ultra top secret info or I am a clandestine agent playing some cloak and dagger game. You don't need to to be in that role to have your information leaked in this hack, you only need to have applied for a clearance in the past 10 years. You are the one who brings it back to that. Like I said a hundred times, you only need to check the box. Of course we know MSP is going to shoot this down, I have no doubts about that, what we now have is a legitimate board who will right the wrong. So give them the opportunity to do so and encourage others opposed to being so negative. You dont need to see the angle, the HPRB does and based on prior decisions I say we are in good shape with this approach.

So, good luck changing your already granted business owner permit to ISIS threat permit.

Like Kasey Kasem always signed off with...."Keep reaching for the stars".

 

[LoneRanger]

So, good luck changing your already granted business owner permit to ISIS threat permit.

Like Kasey Kasem always signed off with...."Keep reaching for the stars".

But, but, but, hasn't President Obama said that right wing extremists and climate changes were bigger threats than ISIS.....so if ISIS counts as G&S... shouldn't climate change....

 

[cantstop]

... Lets get real. A guy with a web site building business who works from his basement and gets 100% of revenue via paypal is at no more risk than any non business owner.

From what I've read here on MDS, cash deposits is the G&S business owners are asked to show. Your paypal example biz owner would be denied, but this is way off topic.

If it is possible to use your clearance as G&S for a CCW, I would say "Go for it!".

I don't care if you only need your clearance because you work in the cafeteria or clean out the bathrooms. You already went through a background investigation that shows you are trusted with government secrets. What information could the MSP have that wasn't shared during your clearance process?

 

[Schipperke]

Why? People around here take this board and some of the posters way too seriously. There was no attack, relax.

I read no attack either. Inflection of voice can't be inferred on a chat board. A lot depends on the mood of the reader. There are a hand full of posters who over time I do infer as just rude at any oppurtunity. The parties to that give and take do not fit anywhere near that type imo.

 

[Schipperke]

From what I've read here on MDS, cash deposits is the G&S business owners are asked to show. Your paypal example biz owner would be denied, but this is way off topic.

If it is possible to use your clearance as G&S for a CCW, I would say "Go for it!".

I don't care if you only need it because you work in the cafeteria or clean out the bathrooms. You already went through a background investigation that shows you are trusted with government secrets. What information could the MSP have that wasn't shared during your clearance process?

Hmmm. Off topic but an inaccurate assumption.

Hey any excuse people can manufacture to try fitting in the requirements of MSP annoitment are fine by me. It's the shared conjecture on some of the schemes that are entertaining though.

 

[USAFRavenR6]

So, good luck changing your already granted business owner permit to ISIS threat permit.

Like Kasey Kasem always signed off with...."Keep reaching for the stars".

You will be the first person I inform. As well as the guy 99% of us have already blocked.

 

[Blaster229]

You will be the first person I inform. As well as the guy 99% of us have already blocked.

Don't bother, I've seen them before.

 

[LoneRanger]

Don't bother, I've seen them before.

I thought everyone here already had one........

 

[cantstop]

I thought everyone here already had one........

WTF?!? I thought they were covered under the same statute as woodchucks and invasive species. The only requirement (outside of Baltimore and Fredrick Counties) is that you wear orange while hunting them.

 

[ELCAM]

I officially received my denial letter and I just mailed off my letter to the Handgun Permit Review Board and I also requested an informal command review.

 

[BeoBill]

I officially received my denial letter and I just mailed off my letter to the Handgun Permit Review Board and I also requested an informal command review.

And so the saga begins.

Keep us informed as you progress on the journey to Valhalla.

 

[Schipperke]

I officially received my denial letter and I just mailed off my letter to the Handgun Permit Review Board and I also requested an informal command review.

What is this "informal command review" you speak of?

 

[ELCAM]

What is this "informal command review" you speak of?

It's one of the two choices I was given in addition to the Handgun review Board.

The two choices are:
Investigative Staff Review
Informal Command Review

 

[Schipperke]

It's one of the two choices I was given in addition to the Handgun review Board.

The two choices are:
Investigative Staff Review
Informal Command Review

Much clearer, thanks.

 

[ELCAM]

Much clearer, thanks.

No problem!

Just kidding from the letter:

Informal Command Review: A Face-to-face meeting between the applicant, who disagrees with the decision to either deny hit/her permit or renewal or revoke or limit his/her permit, and the licensing divisions commander or an assigned member of Command staff, in order to sustain, reverse or modify the initial action taken.

 

[Tungsten]

But, but, but, hasn't President Obama said that right wing extremists and climate changes were bigger threats than ISIS.....so if ISIS counts as G&S... shouldn't climate change....

Actually I think you are onto something. I'm going to put down G&S as defending myself against greenhouse gases. I bet I get moved to the front of the line.

 

[Schipperke]

No problem!

Just kidding from the letter:

Informal Command Review: A Face-to-face meeting between the applicant, who disagrees with the decision to either deny hit/her permit or renewal or revoke or limit his/her permit, and the licensing divisions commander or an assigned member of Command staff, in order to sustain, reverse or modify the initial action taken.

Thanks, I honestly can't keep track of all the crap MSP puts one through and supposed options. I take it you can still get your day in front of the HPRB if the "ICR" bears no fruit. Best of luck to you, and hope they don't leave you hanging for months.

 

[ELCAM]

Thanks, I honestly can't keep track of all the crap MSP puts one through and supposed options. I take it you can still get your day in front of the HPRB if the "ICR" bears no fruit. Best of luck to you, and hope they don't leave you hanging for months.

Yes I specifically asked and in the letter if the ICR bears no fruit I still get my chance in front of the HPRB. You have to send a letter to both entities within 10 days of the denial letter.


If I get delayed until after December and win my appeal it would make it closer to a 3 year permit.


On a side note doesn't anybody know the current wait to get your day in from of the HPRB? Is it still random? Worthy of a call to the:

Handgun Permit Review Board
410-339-5010

to ask what the timeline is like?

 

[cantstop]

I officially received my denial letter and I just mailed off my letter to the Handgun Permit Review Board and I also requested an informal command review.

So the bottom line as far as the MSP permit process goes: A security clearance is not G&S. You may be able to appeal, but it is a case by case decision.

 

[ELCAM]

So the bottom line as far as the MSP permit process goes: A security clearance is not G&S. You may be able to appeal, but it is a case by case decision.

That's correct. It will be disapproved and you will have to appeal.