MY HQL IS ACTIVE!!!!

[Rack&Roll]

Welcome Proud USMC Wife! OK, here's the scoop: I made calls this afternoon and got confirmation that you can purchase firearms with just the HQL NUMBER in hand, which can be found on your completed APPLICATION page on the Maryland State Police website.

Although some Dealers may be slow to adopt, several dealers have confirmed that they are sending in firearms purchase paperwork with the HQL NUMBER and the Maryland State Police has no objections.

Log into your page at any Dealer, either using your own laptop, Ipad, or smartphone, or the dealer's computer to verify the number. Or the Dealer can call the MSP License division to confirm the HQL NUMBER.

It appears the MSP is allowing purchases without the HQL actually being IN HAND to head off complaints that might be used against the State of MD in a lawsuit. Almost certainly in the months to come Dealers will expect you to have the card in hand.

 

[Mike OTDP]

Well, I applied for one. Holding my nose, but living in Deep Southern Maryland, you can't afford to waste opportunities - I was up in the I-95 Axis, where all the fingerprinting services are. Over an hour's drive each way otherwise.

Fast turnaround - I applied Friday evening, it's showing ACTIVE as of this evening.

 

[RIKI]

Yes, I to submitted my app late Friday and it is Active now.

RIKI

 

[AGCLVP]

Unbelieveable

Cheering about having to buy a license to exercise a constitutional right is well....

Not unlike celebrating being diagnosed with a case of the clap.

The MSP is already reporting on how happy you all are with the "service."

I heard about this from one of my long time gunnies. I had to see it myself to believe that some Maryland gun owners are so short sighted.

 

[Dave.B]

Cheering about having to buy a license to exercise a constitutional right is well....

Not unlike celebrating being diagnosed with a case of the clap.

The MSP is already reporting on how happy you all are with the "service."

I heard about this from one of my long time gunnies. I had to see it myself to believe that some Maryland gun owners are so short sighted.

At least the clap is curable.

 

[amoebicmagician]

Did you receive the physical HQL yet?

How could anyone be excited about being subjugated?

Isn't there a court hearing today (albeit to schedule more hearings,,l) Wonder if progress was for show..

(sorry to rain on your parade. )

THANK YOU!

As always, we are of a single mind on this, ShallNotInfringe

Oh, and thanks for the ride to the show the other day- how's that one thing holding up?

 

[jmt476]

I submitted on fri and it became active last night. much quicker than i expected.

 

[Mike OTDP]

Cheering about having to buy a license to exercise a constitutional right is well....

Not unlike celebrating being diagnosed with a case of the clap.

The MSP is already reporting on how happy you all are with the "service."

I heard about this from one of my long time gunnies. I had to see it myself to believe that some Maryland gun owners are so short sighted.

Cheering? No. The I-95 Axis stuck us with this - which is why there are about 20 counties ready to make a break for freedom if we can.

But one of the problems that all the residents of the Axis seem to share is a staggering lack of geographic knowledge. Go take a look at where fingerprinting services are to be had - there are 2 locations in Western MD, a couple in Salisbury. Every other location is within 15 miles of I-95. When you live 60 miles from I-95, as I do, you can't afford to waste an opportunity.

 

[Rack&Roll]

Cheering about having to buy a license to exercise a constitutional right is well....

Not unlike celebrating being diagnosed with a case of the clap.

The MSP is already reporting on how happy you all are with the "service."

I heard about this from one of my long time gunnies. I had to see it myself to believe that some Maryland gun owners are so short sighted.

Dear:
John H. Josselyn, Legislative Vice President
Associated Gun Clubs of Baltimore, Inc.

I absolutely agree that no one should be crowing about getting their HQL. However, if everyone boycotts the process then local gun stores all across Maryland could be closing their doors because they probably cannot compete with the Big Box retailers on shotguns, hunting rifles, etc.

I don't see anything wrong with continuing to buy from local businesses while trying to squash the HQL in court. What happens if we win eventually and almost all the local gun stores are out of business?

 

[AGCLVP]

Nothing implied that I was supporting or even suggesting a boycott.

The sad truth is that local gunshops are already closing due to competition from the big box stores. Gun buyers want cheap prices and the buying power of the big boxes let them sell lower. What gun buyers haven't figureed out is that most big box stores don't have a gunsmith, much less a good gunsmith. This shortsighted approach brings us to the issue of posting/boasting about the HQL process.

For those who don't bother to monitor such things the Maryland State Police have already published a press release reporting that gun owners are pleased with the service on the HQLs. Gee, where do you think they are reading that? Is everyone too obtuse to realize that the MSP monitors EVERYTHING you post?

Does anyone think for a minute that the State AG will not be delighted to produce in court copies of the ill-conceived testimonials to the MSP that have been posted on this forum. Think about it. The posters sure didn't.

 

[MaxVO2]

Nothing implied that I was supporting or even suggesting a boycott.

The sad truth is that local gunshops are already closing due to competition from the big box stores. Gun buyers want cheap prices and the buying power of the big boxes let them sell lower. What gun buyers haven't figureed out is that most big box stores don't have a gunsmith, much less a good gunsmith. This shortsighted approach brings us to the issue of posting/boasting about the HQL process.

For those who don't bother to monitor such things the Maryland State Police have already published a press release reporting that gun owners are pleased with the service on the HQLs. Gee, where do you think they are reading that? Is everyone too obtuse to realize that the MSP monitors EVERYTHING you post?

Does anyone think for a minute that the State AG will not be delighted to produce in court copies of the ill-conceived testimonials to the MSP that have been posted on this forum. Think about it. The posters sure didn't.

****You speaketh the truth! I am pretty sure the MSP got their info for the press release from none other than our very own forum here, specifically this thread as well as a couple of others.

The fact we basically have a de-facto ban on handgun purchases with the exception of the few IP's accepting the number from the website no doubt plays into all of this. We are basically battered gun owners here now and "thankful" the state has been so "kind" in allowing us the option of giving them even more money, our fingerprints for an HQL that allows us to take advantage of an enumerated right in one of our countries' founding documents...

 

[JPG]

I don't think they would need to read any forum to "guess" that people are pleased. If you had to wait 120 for "Not Disapproved" and get an HQL in less than a week, easy to guess that most would be pleased due to the short time limit. Not pleased that they had to get one in the first place.

It is like when gas prices went from $1.80 to close to $4.00 people were upset and now that it is $3.30 people are glad it isn't $4.00. Still sucks, but could be worse.

 

[trailtoy]

There was a time in Maryland when I used to carry my .22 on the bus as a kid to go hunting or plinking. I could walk with my shotgun to go duck hunting. The word 'gun' wasn't something to be feared. I didn't need a license to exercise my 2nd amendment right.

At one time, not too many years ago - we were free.

In high school, late 70's, in Bladensburg, we still had an active rifle range INSIDE the school!! Isn't that just terrifying?? Can you imagine the holy hell that would break loose if someone tried to build a school today with a built-in range?

 

[kalister1]

Nothing implied that I was supporting or even suggesting a boycott.

The sad truth is that local gunshops are already closing due to competition from the big box stores. Gun buyers want cheap prices and the buying power of the big boxes let them sell lower. What gun buyers haven't figureed out is that most big box stores don't have a gunsmith, much less a good gunsmith. This shortsighted approach brings us to the issue of posting/boasting about the HQL process.

For those who don't bother to monitor such things the Maryland State Police have already published a press release reporting that gun owners are pleased with the service on the HQLs. Gee, where do you think they are reading that? Is everyone too obtuse to realize that the MSP monitors EVERYTHING you post?

Does anyone think for a minute that the State AG will not be delighted to produce in court copies of the ill-conceived testimonials to the MSP that have been posted on this forum. Think about it. The posters sure didn't.

So if 20 people are happy, that is all the reason Maryland needs to tear up the Constitution? The Judge will read that 20 people are happy shooting Heroin and now it's legal?
Do you think for one minute that the MSP will publish whatever they want to publish? Did you actually think they would say that this NEW LAW is a hardship on Maryland citizens and decide to just give a free gun to anybody that comes and asks for one?

 

[Rack&Roll]

I'm on record here declaring that the Handgun Qualification License is a violation of our Constitutional Rights. Rather than complain about HQL Happy Talk here, why aren't the members of the Associated Gun Clubs of Baltimore (with help from MDS folks here) running a civil-rights-style picket line everyday in downtown Baltimore?

Or how about AGC-sponsored rallies outside of Baltimore? AGC VP John Josselyn has testified countless times in Annapolis but his post count on MDshooters is only 50 despite being on this forum for more than 5 years. MDS is a great resource but no real interaction? Mr. Josselyn, you are complaining about what goes on here rather than issuing calls for action, updates, clarifications and/or attaboys. More participation/posts from AGC, I think, would be warmly welcomed here.

 

[PresentArms]

 

[ke3gk]

However, if everyone boycotts the process then local gun stores all across Maryland could be closing their doors because they probably cannot compete with the Big Box retailers on shotguns, hunting rifles, etc.

Please excuse the following comment. To all reading, it is not politically correct. It is somewhat sarcastic and may require hurt feelings report, but no harm to those living or deceased, is intended.

I didn't know that's what this is all about. To keep our dealers in business.

I wish someone would have explained that earlier. I thought it was about a freedom that we once enjoyed. A freedom that gets trampled on a daily basis. A constitutional right that we have that is being smudged and stepped on, spit, urinated and pooped on.

I don't remember reading anything about businesses or needing licenses or permits in the 2nd Amendment

I have to weigh this out - My Right VS giving Franklin the gun dealer a few bucks once in awhile. Tough one there.

Right now I have all the guns I need, my .22 squirrel gun, my 12 gauge shotgun, oh - and a pellet gun. I don't want any pistols, they are bad and make people do bad things.

Return to regularly scheduled whining.

 

[teratos]

I'm on record here declaring that the Handgun Qualification License is a violation of our Constitutional Rights. Rather than complain about HQL Happy Talk here, why aren't the members of the Associated Gun Clubs of Baltimore (with help from MDS folks here) running a civil-rights-style picket line everyday in downtown Baltimore?

Or how about AGC-sponsored rallies outside of Baltimore? AGC VP John Josselyn has testified countless times in Annapolis but his post count on MDshooters is only 50 despite being on this forum for more than 5 years. MDS is a great resource but no real interaction? Mr. Josselyn, you are complaining about what goes on here rather than issuing calls for action, updates, clarifications and/or attaboys. More participation/posts from AGC, I think, would be warmly welcomed here.

I know John pretty well. He works his ass off on these issues, in addition to maintaining a full-time job. He's done enough that he really shouldn't have to listen to any crap from you.

 

[Pinecone]

HQL will be hard to overturn.

Several states have had some form of firearms ID card for YEARS.

I know Mass had them in the mid-70s. And the local LEO granted them or not. A friend lived in one city where you had to have G&S to get an FOID to buy a firearm. Next town over, the LEO would give you one for asking.

 

[Gryphon]

HQL will be hard to overturn.

Several states have had some form of firearms ID card for YEARS.

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I applaud, welcome and have supported the effort to get HQL overturned, but I am a realist. I recognize that having lost the TRO request (for whatever reason), and with MSP cranking out HQL's that a preliminary injunction is unlikely. So I got my HQL. I needed it to pickup pre-Oct. 1 purchases after Oct. 1 without jeopardizing my livelihood by breaking the new law.

Getting the HQL process invalidated permanently is a long shot at best. I don't like it, and I think it is an Unconstitutional infringement, so I hope I am wrong. But the appellate court and SCOTUS clearly abandoned us, along with our supposed unalienable right in Woollard - which was intentionally focused like a laser on one simple easy to answer question. But they refused to answer it. So I imagine the HQL argument is doomed to the same fate. I hope I am wrong.

Woollard really stings. I obviously presumed way too much about the High Court's willingness to do their job. I admit I am starting to think the Court's unwillingness to act simply enables the legislative and the executive branches, and it has become obvious each of the 3 branches go out of their way to overly complicate even the most simple issues. It doesn't need to be that way and I am sick of it.