MSP meeting

[Mark75H]

I foresee another cluster mess like the background check fiasco. I see them using the same stall tactics too.

Time to send Patrick some more moolah

 

[Kelson1066]

Great now I have to spend more on handguns not just lowers.

 

[hodgepodge]

Defacto ban as anticipated. When is the first class scheduled for the non-exempt BTW ?

It's apparently "under consideration" by the AG and the MSP. There's no hurry as we don't really want people to buy guns.

 

[rem87062597]

All ARs in any caliber. Heh. Un huh. Sure.

That reminds me, I need a few more 10 round .458 SOCOM magazines.

 

[Brooklyn]

Federal jurisdiction has nothing to do with it. NFA laws place federal restrictions on certain firearms applicable to citizens in every state. It does not grant rights to us that a state cannot take away. If MD wanted to ban SBRs it could.

I guess MSP is treating SBR as separate from assault weapons for the sake of consistency. They treated SBRs different from other regulated items in the past. So I guess they now will treat them differently from Assault Weapons.

Just so you know the is there for a reason. I know and you know and know you know that I know but its still possible that they don't know so lets not tell them.. ok

Really I do know, but consider this--- there is an interstate aspect they need to dance around very carefully --- but I am hoping they will be to busy taxiing rain, running a bordello out of the Baltimore jail, and generally making liberals out of themselves to bother ...

 

[aquaman]

Just so you know the is there for a reason. I know and you know and know you know that I know but its still possible that they don't know so lets not tell them.. ok

Really I do know, but consider this--- there is an interstate aspect they need to dance around very carefully --- but I am hoping they will be to busy taxiing rain, running a bordello out of the Baltimore jail, and generally making liberals out of themselves to bother ...

I notice you have the Seal Of Virginia as your avatar but you live in MD. Are you planning on defecting to the west?

 

[fabsroman]

Just so you know the is there for a reason. I know and you know and know you know that I know but its still possible that they don't know so lets not tell them.. ok

Really I do know, but consider this--- there is an interstate aspect they need to dance around very carefully --- but I am hoping they will be to busy taxiing rain, running a bordello out of the Baltimore jail, and generally making liberals out of themselves to bother ...

Honestly, I think the General Assembly has NO CLUE when it comes to firearms, what they are, how they work, etc. I don't think they have a clue that people can still buy an AR-15 or AK after October 1, 2013 as long as the firearm has a short barrel and they are willing to go through a cavity search. Either that, or they figure the cavity search will prevent most people from getting one, along with the $200 tax stamp. I mean, how many criminals would go through all that? How many straw purchasers would go through all that.

If they were really smart and did not want to piss so many people off, they would have just had a regulated firearms licensing process akin to the HQL process. Just one and the same and kept everything as regulated.

 

[Brooklyn]

I notice you have the Seal Of Virginia as your avatar but you live in MD. Are you planning on defecting to the west?

I have no plans to defect, but if I did my avatar would be not be a clue to anything in particular.. I would like to get some property up that way some day, but who knows meanwhile I do shot at a range in WV on occasion.


In truth I may even wind up in texas if the gov stops paying its bills

 

[aquaman]

I have no plans to defect, but if I did my avatar would be not be a clue to anything in particular.. I would like to get some property up that way some day, but who knows meanwhile I do shot at a range in WV on occasion.


In truth I may even wind up in texas if the gov stops paying its bills

Well just remember one thing...If Viktor Belenko can do it so can you!

 

[Brooklyn]

Honestly, I think the General Assembly has NO CLUE when it comes to firearms, what they are, how they work, etc. I don't think they have a clue that people can still buy an AR-15 or AK after October 1, 2013 as long as the firearm has a short barrel and they are willing to go through a cavity search. Either that, or they figure the cavity search will prevent most people from getting one, along with the $200 tax stamp. I mean, how many criminals would go through all that? How many straw purchasers would go through all that.

If they were really smart and did not want to piss so many people off, they would have just had a regulated firearms licensing process akin to the HQL process. Just one and the same and kept everything as regulated.

NO clue is right.. They are mostly looking to fillin where they think federal reg is lacking and I am guessing they think all guns should be treated as Nfa items ( al la Feinstein ) and will leave it be if we don't poke a stick in thier eye over it. But as you know the' when is a rife not a rifle" stuff is a pia -- taxing rain is fun...

 

[fabsroman]

NO clue is right.. They are mostly looking to fillin where they think federal reg is lacking and I am guessing they think all guns should be treated as Nfa items ( al la Feinstein ) and will leave it be if we don't poke a stick in thier eye over it. But as you know the' when is a rife not a rifle" stuff is a pia -- taxing rain is fun...

The process for determining the tax is completely retarded. Only looking at the sf of impermeable area for a specific property as it relates to runoff is complete BS. To tell me that a 200 acre property with 2,000 sf of impermeable surface area is the same as a townhouse or condo development with blacktop, cement, and shingles all over the place is BS. Somebody there with a 1,000 sf footprint has way more runoff hitting the feeders to the Bay than my 200 acre example. Yeah, somewhat extreme, but the best way to determine it should have been a ratio of impermeable surface to complete land mass of the property.

Yeah, time to go open a bottle of liquor.

 

[Brooklyn]

The process for determining the tax is completely retarded. Only looking at the sf of impermeable area for a specific property as it relates to runoff is complete BS. To tell me that a 200 acre property with 2,000 sf of impermeable surface area is the same as a townhouse or condo development with blacktop, cement, and shingles all over the place is BS. Somebody there with a 1,000 sf footprint has way more runoff hitting the feeders to the Bay than my 200 acre example. Yeah, somewhat extreme, but the best way to determine it should have been a ratio of impermeable surface to complete land mass of the property.

Yeah, time to go open a bottle of liquor.

The good news is this will tick off everybody ... it will cause business to move on.. And malls with long term leases may fail if they can't raise rents to cover the increase..


I know its hard to keep perspective as MD is your home.. I don't get to have a home so its easy for me --- just keep moving till the music stops --

The spirit that built this country is still within us-- I feel it. We just need a few more meathead politicians to get us riled up and remind us why our for fathers came her in the first place.

Of course mine were ruining for their lives , but that works too

 

[fabsroman]

The good news is this will tick off everybody ... it will cause business to move on.. And malls with long term leases may fail if they can't raise rents to cover the increase..


I know its hard to keep perspective as MD is your home.. I don't get to have a home so its easy for me --- just keep moving till the music stops --

The spirit that built this country is still within us-- I feel it. We just need a few more meathead politicians to get us riled up and remind us why our for fathers came her in the first place.

Of course mine were ruining for their lives , but that works too

Trust me, leaving the state has crossed my mind. Just not as simple as it is for you.

Kind of sad when my parents, Italian immigrants that came over here in 1956 and 1957, both at the age of 14, tell me nowadays that the United States of America is on the decline. My mom even tells me "Americans do not know real suffering and they might not be able to deal with it." That might be true of today's Americans. Probably not so much those that lived through the Great Depression. Of course, my parents were born just as the US got involved in WWII and they lived through the aftermath until they came here.

You really have to wonder about the US though. Up until 100 or so years ago, the country was an expanding country. Now, all it is doing is fighting wars here and there to secure the flow of natural resources. We are not a hungry nation anymore looking to make our country better.

Yep, time for some more liquor.

 

[WheelHead]

One of my dealer buddies let me read the latest latter to him from MSP and it specifically named the "Colt" labeled HBAR. So he told me he from what he gathers from the latter is that only those model manufactured by the Colt company will be legal HBARs. Something sounds fishy here.......

 

[erwos]

All ARs in any caliber. Heh. Un huh. Sure.

He's not wrong per se. The current cash and carry exemption is on lowers that literally can't have normal AR-15 magazines inserted in them.

In any case, many thanks for getting us answers to all those questions, they really start to firm up the situation.

 

[Ab_Normal]

He's not wrong per se. The current cash and carry exemption is on lowers that literally can't have normal AR-15 magazines inserted in them.

In any case, many thanks for getting us answers to all those questions, they really start to firm up the situation.

Yes he is wrong. The current cash and carry exemption applies to models that do not function like the DI ar15 - blowbacks, single shots, etc..

Read the Gansler ruling for clarification.

 

[Mr H]

From the training session today.

No real surprises there (at least for me).

Will be interested to see some of the items under review (especially handgun mags--though I suspect they'll try to say folks can't have them).

Thanks for ALL the work yesterday.

 

[cap6888]

Well, I would say that this is some good and bad news.

Good news about building up AR lowers after October 1 (time to buy many more).

Bad news in regards to the HQL. Like some have said, the defacto gun ban goes into effect. It might make for a good lawsuit since hey won't be up and running prior to October 1. A right delayed is a right denied and all. But even when that happens, how long do you think it will take to get a license from the state when they are running 90 plus days now on background checks?

 

[dblas]

The process for determining the tax is completely retarded. Only looking at the sf of impermeable area for a specific property as it relates to runoff is complete BS. To tell me that a 200 acre property with 2,000 sf of impermeable surface area is the same as a townhouse or condo development with blacktop, cement, and shingles all over the place is BS. Somebody there with a 1,000 sf footprint has way more runoff hitting the feeders to the Bay than my 200 acre example. Yeah, somewhat extreme, but the best way to determine it should have been a ratio of impermeable surface to complete land mass of the property.

Yeah, time to go open a bottle of liquor.

PG county is going by pure lot size and has it broken down into three sizes, small, medium (Our lot), and large. Interestingly enough, we have a neighbor up the street that has a 3000 sq ft lot that has no hard surface on it and he is getting taxed for a medium lot. Also interesting in PG is that the county is charging a $22.35 administration fee in the tax, so for a small lot, the admin fee is larger than the tax, for a medium lot, it is split 50/50 between admin fee and tax, and for the large lot, the tax is the larger than the admin fee.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled thread.

 

[mgbill]

Other than the fact that no one can transfer, rent or purchase a handgun for at least a month in the State of Md?

I don't think that's quite true. If I read correctly, regulated firearms may be sold after Oct 1 to a small segment of the population, without possession of a HQL. Retired US military personnel are one category.