Sue ffls for not releasing

[Robert1955]

Should or would it be possible to file a lawsuit against an ffl who won't release and is holding our paid in full firearms hostage. Many reputable sources have confirmed it is legal with both the ATF and msp to release before msp paperwork is returned.

You did not really ask this question, did you????? They are being held hostage as we are if not more so. To you and me its a few firearms, their businesses have been threatened, in some cases, if they release legal or not. And in this lawsuit happy Country we live in I don't blame them at all for waiting. I hate it but I understand their position.

 

[Ooops]

Should or would it be possible to file a lawsuit against an ffl who won't release and is holding our paid in full firearms hostage. Many reputable sources have confirmed it is legal with both the ATF and msp to release before msp paperwork is returned.

I'm not going to ask any gunshop to do anything that could possibly get them or myself in trouble. Waiting a few days from the comfort of my home for my gun is a lot easier than asking anyone to put their business (that feeds their families) at risk.

It's not worth it.

 

[abean4187]

The thing I find most sad about the people complaining about wait times is that they tend to be the people that already own several firearms. Your life does not depend on you getting your gun ASAP. Yes, it sucks that we have to wait but it is just the reality of the situation. The FFLs are not our enemies, it’s the state. We shouldn’t be punishing FFLs for protecting themselves against the law and the possibility of releasing a firearm to someone that should not have one.

 

[IndispensableDestiny]

Should or would it be possible to file a lawsuit against an ffl who won't release and is holding our paid in full firearms hostage. Many reputable sources have confirmed it is legal with both the ATF and msp to release before msp paperwork is returned.

Are you mentally stable enough to possess a firearm?

 

[Ooops]

Close this thread please. Now.

This

 

[cww]

1st I don't think I have ever paid in full before I picked one up and
2nd what's the rush, if you're like a bunch of us you don't have enough ammo to really use it much and
3rd that is the last thing needed. it is part of the problem with this country.

 

[Bang]

Some of you are acting like spoiled little children the last week or so. Just wait, your firearm is not going anywhere. I am sure the FFL of your choosing is taking good care of it.

 

[BigToe]

They are being held hostage as we are if not more so.

Exactly....

You have to remember that dealers are sitting on partially paid product for almost 3 months. It's not like they WANT to hold your firearm. Every firearm sitting in the shop with a partial payment is money that they cannot use to restock their shelves, make payroll, etc.

 

[Gbh]

Gun shops are regulated. The state and federal regulators hold the FFl's nads in their hands.

FFl's releasing without a NTN and a ND are charting new territory. Don't be hard on those who won't.

Iv'e said all along that either they CAN release to everyone without a NTN/ND or they CAN'T. Many here have told me they MAY. so here we are in the mud.

We see FFL's making up their own rules as to the "level of comfort" to release early. Some have extra forms to sign, some don't. Some require the a DC status, some don't. Some require a previous ND from their shop, some don't. Some won't release at all.

If that doesn't demonstrate the gray area they are in, I don't know what does. There is no uniformity as to how FFL's are releasing regulated purchases to customers. Assuming a FFL that does not release is somehow doing something illegal or immoral is not the right approach.

This is not good.

 

[spclopr8tr]

Gun shops are regulated. The state and federal regulators hold the FFl's nads in their hands.

FFl's releasing without a NTN and a ND are charting new territory. Don't be hard on those who won't.

Iv'e said all along that either they CAN release to everyone without a NTN/ND or they CAN'T. Many here have told me they MAY. so here we are in the mud.

We see FFL's making up their own rules as to the "level of comfort" to release early. Some have extra forms to sign, some don't. Some require the a DC status, some don't. Some require a previous ND from their shop, some don't. Some won't release at all.

If that doesn't demonstrate the gray area they are in, I don't know what does. There is no uniformity as to how FFL's are releasing regulated purchases to customers. Assuming a FFL that does not release is somehow doing something illegal or immoral is not the right approach.

This is not good.

+1

 

[capman98]

OP went full retard, NEVER go FULL retard. relax dude. You will get it when you get it. This is a shitty situation, but it is being worked on. If this is your first gun, what took you so long. If not, then you have other things to play with. CHILLAX.

 

[cougar70]

Should or would it be possible to file a lawsuit against an ffl who won't release and is holding our paid in full firearms hostage. Many reputable sources have confirmed it is legal with both the ATF and msp to release before msp paperwork is returned.

Hmmm.... try and force a business owner to jeopardize their business, even though there is so much confusion on when to legally release a firearm.
Yes, tell a business owner to compromise their livelihood.

Hopefully, you have already p*ssed off the ffl that you're waiting for so much that they hold your firearm as long as humanly possible!

 

[garyad]

Bite the hand that feeds you?????
It's going to be tough enough to keep some of the small shops going after Oct 1st, even without BS like this.
It is the state of Md. "holding our firearms hostage", NOT the FFLs.
Do you really thing they want your "paid in full" firearm taking up their valuable storage space.
Two options....wait or move.

Thats not entirely true. The law allows for release on the 8th day whether the FFL gets a ND or not. Thats why I can't quite understand the liability issue. Although I do get wanting to play it "safe".

Scenario 1 - You get a ND within 7 days gun is transferred (legal transfer) - no liability on the FFL's part.


Scenario 2 - You do not get a ND within 7 days on the 8th day gun is transferred (legal transfer) - perceived liability on the FFL.


Whats the difference between the above scenario's other than the "approval" of the MSP? Both are perfectly legal transfers. This is all assuming that the NICS check was done and all the t's were crossed.

Not trying to start an argument and like I said, I understand some shops want to play it safe and don't want to take any chances but where is the liability if all was done within the law?

Just trying to understand. Thanks

 

[freddie]

From my observations people sue people over just about anything - consult a lawyer

If the lawyer agrees to take the case and let's say it goes all the way to trial - you might be looking at 6 months and $5K-$10K.

Sounds like a solid plan

 

[rambling_one]

You're taking aim at the wrong target. Vent you're anger at the O'Malley administration.

 

[Not_an_outlaw]

Many of you are awfully hard on the OP. Did you ever suspect that an FFL may want a lawsuit so he can join the MSP as a party? The FFL can point to the MSP and say "hey, it's not me!" The FFL has his hands tied. 70 days is a long time to keep someone's property.

An intelligent discussion would be nice rather than personal attacks.

 

[Mr H]

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Did you ever suspect that an FFL may want a lawsuit so he can join the MSP as a party? The FFL can point to the MSP and say "hey, it's not me!" The FFL has his hands tied. 70 days is a long time to keep someone's property.

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MSP is already being sued to release.

MSI, AGC and the MLFDA are all parties to the suit, so if a FFL is a MLFDA member, they're already "in".......

 

[coopermania]

And people wonder why Gunshop Employees are a-holes.

LOL. It would be a good thing Chad is some of the children here were to own there own small business and get customers just like themselves.

 

[iH8DemLibz]

Yeah but they gotta be banking on those citizens being stupid enough to fall for it. So maybe pro a citizens need to not be stupid and stand united. Everybody here wants to run down on people for scooby snacks and forum pats on the back it seems. good genuine people that are pro a will always unite. Pro a clowns will bash and belittle.

You, Sir get a Pat on the Back and a Scooby Snack.

People ranting and raving at nameless, faceless, words on a computer screen is CRAZINESS.

The real Pro2A's will hang together.

It's the fair weather pro2a's that won't step up and join the fight.

Make that a metaphorical fight. Not an actual fight. I don't believe in violence.

 

[Kbroc2]

I would never sue a gun shop for this I was just seeing the consensus, nor am I saying all ffls are the enemy. I do plan to move in the future to a friendlier state, but in the meantime when I make purchases I will use a different ffl, and on moving my current purchases I've been waiting to see if they loosen up on policy, I've even heard some shops are not shipping to other in state ffls, that's a problem for me because I bought off gunbroker and cannot simply return and buy from another shop. Being at a non releasing shop I'm worried that due to the flood of 8 dayers the backlog will compound. Sorry for all the hurt feelings I'm not threatening to get my lawyer just taking a pulse

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