Trying to buy long guns, being sold as pistols

[pufthedragonCCS]

Hey everybody, a few weeks ago I went to a gun store, run rack ltd I believe, and was looking at a bunch of guns I was interested in. PTR 91s, FALs, ARs, and AKs. All sorts of goodies. I had over $2,000 I was planning on spending. I start looking at this mossberg 500 and I ask the guy how much. He tells me and says "you're 21, right?" I look up and tell him I'm 20. "Sorry but that gun has a pistol grip, so it's considered a pistol". I stared at him for a bit, not knowing what to say. I spend the next couple minutes asking about guns that don't have pistol grips (VEPRs, m1as, mossin nagants, etc.). I walk out with just a brick of 22lr and head to Constitutional Firearms (really nice people). The man told me the same thing, but I wasn't about to walk out empty handed again, except he told me "I can't find it anywhere" and described it as "strong arm tactics" by the ATF. I bought a chinese SKS and I'm happy I did, but I had never heard of this law and my year was blown because I don't want to have to wait 'til next November to by a gun I want. I also asked about this on youtube and family friends, and they told me that they had never heard of it. Sorry if this isn't where this question belongs, but I'd appreciate any help you guys can give me.

 

[Darkemp]

Hey everybody, a few weeks ago I went to a gun store, run rack ltd I believe, and was looking at a bunch of guns I was interested in. PTR 91s, FALs, ARs, and AKs. All sorts of goodies. I had over $2,000 I was planning on spending. I start looking at this mossberg 500 and I ask the guy how much. He tells me and says "you're 21, right?" I look up and tell him I'm 20. "Sorry but that gun has a pistol grip, so it's considered a pistol". I stared at him for a bit, not knowing what to say. I spend the next couple minutes asking about guns that don't have pistol grips (VEPRs, m1as, mossin nagants, etc.). I walk out with just a brick of 22lr and head to Constitutional Firearms (really nice people). The man told me the same thing, but I wasn't about to walk out empty handed again, except he told me "I can't find it anywhere" and described it as "strong arm tactics" by the ATF. I bought a chinese SKS and I'm happy I did, but I had never heard of this law and my year was blown because I don't want to have to wait 'til next November to by a gun I want. I also asked about this on youtube and family friends, and they told me that they had never heard of it. Sorry if this isn't where this question belongs, but I'd appreciate any help you guys can give me.

Buy shotgun with stock. Buy $20 pistol grip. Use screwdriver to mate the two. That or wait until you're 21.

 

[pufthedragonCCS]

Buy shotgun with stock. Buy $20 pistol grip. Use screwdriver to mate the two. That or wait until you're 21.

And for an AR or the AK-74 I had my eye on? Or perhaps some other rifle?

 

[ridethemessiah]

Its regulated, in the same class as a pistol. Oddly enough you can buy an 870 pistol(in a year). But I digress, mark hit the nail on the head

 

[ridethemessiah]

AK I believe you're screwed. AR, hbar.

 

[Gbh]

Some discussion on this subject here

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=84145

 

[Darkemp]

And for an AR or the AK-74 I had my eye on? Or perhaps some other rifle?

Oh come on really? You can't wait until you're 21 for a regulated rifle? Really? Why not invest the money for the year and make a profit instead of letting it burn a hole in your pocket? I had a lot of things to worry about when I was 20, not being able to buy a type of gun wasn't one of them though.

 

[Threeband]

Maryland treats all handguns, and some scary-looking longguns as "Regulated".

Must be 21 to possess. Extra paperwork, $10 fee, background checks, and 7 to 10 to 28 day wait (depending on how slow the process goes...).

All ARs are "regulated" except "Colt HBARs and copies of the Colt HBAR". (HBARs were considered "target rifles", not "assault rifles") What that means is up to the individual dealer. Many will sell any HBAR as cash and carry, but not all will.


Here is the actual list

Maryland State Police
Assault Weapons
Maryland Public Safety Article
§ 5-101(p) Assault weapon.- "Assault weapon" means any of the following specific
firearms or their copies regardless of which company produced and manufactured that
firearm:
( 1 ) American Arms Spectre da Semiautomatic carbine
( 2 ) AK-47 in all forms
( 3 ) Algimec AGM-1 type semi-auto
( 4 ) AR 100 type semi-auto
( 5 ) AR 180 type semi-auto
( 6 ) Argentine L.S.R. semi-auto
( 7 ) Australian Automatic Arms SAR type semi-auto
( 8 ) Auto-Ordnance Thompson M1 and 1927 semi-automatics
( 9 ) Barrett light .50 cal. semi-auto
(10) Beretta AR70 type semi-auto
(11) Bushmaster semi-auto rifle
(12) Calico models M-100 and M-900
(13) CIS SR 88 type semi-auto
(14) Claridge HI TEC C-9 carbines
(15) Colt AR-15, CAR-15, and all imitations except Colt AR-15 Sporter H-BAR rifle
(16) Daewoo MAX 1 and MAX 2, aka AR 100, 110C, K-1, and K-2
(17) Dragunov Chinese made semi-auto
(18) Famas semi-auto (.223 caliber)
(19) Feather AT-9 semi-auto
(20) FN LAR and FN FAL assault rifle
(21) FNC semi-auto type carbine
(22) F.I.E./Franchi LAW 12 and SPAS 12 assault shotgun
(23) Steyr-AUG-SA semi-auto
(24) Galil models AR and ARM semi-auto
(25) Heckler and KOCH HK-91 A3, HK-93 A2, HK-94 A2 and A3
(26) Holmes model 88 shotgun
(27) Avtomat Kalashnikov semiautomatic rifle in any format
(28) Manchester Arms "Commando" MK-45, MK-9
(29) Mandell TAC-1 semi-auto carbine
(30) Mossberg model 500 Bullpup assault shotgun
(31) Sterling Mark 6 (32) P.A.W.S. carbine
(33) Ruger mini-14 folding stock model (.223 caliber)
(34) SIG 550/551 assault rifle (.223 caliber)
(35) SKS with detachable magazine
(36) AP-74 Commando type semi-auto (37) Springfield Armory BM-59, SAR-48, G3, SAR-3, M-21 sniper rifle, M1A, excluding
the M1 Garand
(38) Street sweeper assault type shotgun
(39) Striker 12 assault shotgun in all formats
(40) Unique F11 semi-auto type
(41) Daewoo USAS 12 semi-auto shotgun
(42) UZI 9mm carbine or rifle
(43) Valmet M-76 and M-78 semi-auto
(44) Weaver Arms "Nighthawk" semi-auto carbine or
(45) Wilkinson Arms 9mm semi-auto "Terry".
Direct questions to:
Maryland State Police
Firearms Registration Section
7751 Washington Boulevard
Jessup, Maryland 20794
(410) 799-0191
Updated 6/6/2005

http://www.mdamberplan.com/downloads/assault_weapons.pdf

The list is kind of quirky. It was drawn up back in the late '80s, I think, and it shows. For instance the "Bushmaster rifle" was a prototype that was never produced in quantity- it's not related to the AR. Many other guns on the list are long-forgotten relics of the '80s.

 

[pufthedragonCCS]

Some discussion on this subject here

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=84145

Thanks dude. And thanks to everyone else. Sorry if you guys get questions like that a lot.

 

[Ab_Normal]

Its regulated, in the same class as a pistol. Oddly enough you can buy an 870 pistol(in a year). But I digress, mark hit the nail on the head

No it isn't. It is considered an 'other'. You must be 21 under federal law

 

[Threeband]

Note the CZ58 is not regulated. Many consider it better than the AK.
Mini 14 is not regulated, unless it comes with a folding stock.

Buy an HBAR. Many dealers sell HBAR 16" carbines as cash-and-carry. You kind of picked a bad time, though... Still, it's the only way you can legally buy an AR before you're 21. You can swap uppers after you turn 21 if you want, or stick with the HBAR- nothing wrong with it- some like it, some don't. Some like pencil barrels, some don't.

 

[mopar92]

Well as one poster suggested buying the shotgun and screwing the pistol grip on. It's illegal and in violation of federal law. But that doesn't matter pistol gripped shotguns suck. Unless you're breaching doors or firing from a moving vehicle the. Then they serve a purpose. So stick with a regular stock. There's plenty of other unregulated guns available though. For example HBAR ARs or Vz. 58s are unregulated and make great purchases. There's also most shotguns and old military rifles commonly known as C&R or get a .308 bolt gun. I'm 20 so I'm in the same boat as you.

 

[Darkemp]

Well as one poster suggested buying the shotgun and screwing the pistol grip on. It's illegal and in violation of federal law. But that doesn't matter pistol gripped shotguns suck. Unless you're breaching doors or firing from a moving vehicle the. Then they serve a purpose. So stick with a regular stock. There's plenty of other unregulated guns available though. For example HBAR ARs or Vz. 58s are unregulated and make great purchases. There's also most shotguns and old military rifles commonly known as C&R or get a .308 bolt gun. I'm 20 so I'm in the same boat as you.

There's no law against putting a pistol grip on a shotgun.

 

[mopar92]

If you're under 21 there is.

 

[Darkemp]

If you're under 21 there is.

Didn't know that. But then again I didn't have $2000 to flaunt around on guns when I was 20, I had to pay rent, food, and bills.

 

[pufthedragonCCS]

Oh come on really? You can't wait until you're 21 for a regulated rifle? Really? Why not invest the money for the year and make a profit instead of letting it burn a hole in your pocket? I had a lot of things to worry about when I was 20, not being able to buy a type of gun wasn't one of them though.

Maryland treats all handguns, and some scary-looking longguns as "Regulated".

Must be 21 to posses. Extra paperwork, $10 fee, background checks, and 7 to 10 to 28 day wait (depending on how slow the process goes...).

All ARs are "regulated" except "Colt HBARs and copies of the Colt HBAR". (HBARs were considered "target rifles", not "assault rifles") What that means is up to the individual dealer. Many will sell any HBAR as cash and carry, but not all will.


Here is the actual list




The list is kind of quirky. It was drawn up back in the late '80s, I think, and it shows. For instance the "Bushmaster rifle" was a prototype that was never produced in quantity- it's not related to the AR. Many other guns on the list are long-forgotten relics of the '80s.

Yea, I got a pamphlet titled "Gun Violence Act of 1996 Information Bulletin".
@mark ...I don't really think that it's that ridiculous that I pay for my college semester and my car AND at the same time save for a over year so that I can get into a hobby that I've been interested in since I was a little kid. Perhaps I am not spending my money as frivolously as you assume I am.

 

[Darkemp]

Yea, I got a pamphlet titled "Gun Violence Act of 1996 Information Bulletin".
@mark ...I don't really think that it's that ridiculous that I pay for my college semester and my car AND at the same time save for a over year so that I can get into a hobby that I've been interested in since I was a little kid. Perhaps I am not spending my money as frivolously as you assume I am.

IMHO frivoloties like AK's and AR's are more of luxury toys that you can afford once you've done everything else to set yourself up in life. Worrying about them at 20 seems trivial. At 20 I learned how to survive on nothing and learned the value of a dollar. By 25 I had converted that to a point where cost wasn't an issue for toys, but that never would have happened if not for the struggles before. Kind of why I don't believe in parents supporting young adults financially at all.

 

[ridethemessiah]

No it isn't. It is considered an 'other'. You must be 21 under federal law

Na I was sayin his pistol grip 500 was regulated. Like a pistol is.

I threw the 870 thing in there as a tid bit. Should have started a new paragraph but I'm on my phone so I said **** it. Hey at least in not drunk posting like that guy with the dink

 

[Slimjim]

Mossberg persuaders or other pistol gripped shotguns are supposed to be sold to people over 21, It will tell you that on the box.

 

[NateIU10]

There is do much wrong information I this thread it's hilarious...

Buy a non regulated firearm. Don't posses a regulated firearm in MD if you're under 21.