People in Indiana can legally shoot cops!

[Half-cocked]

If a cop is dong nothing illegal, they have nothing to worry about with this law...
Sound familiar?

/thread!

Maybe this thread wouldn't have raised so many hackles, if it had been titled "People in Indiana can legally shoot, in self-defense, anyone perpetrating an illegal, armed invasion into their homes!"

 

[Inigoes]

/thread!

Maybe this thread wouldn't have raised so many hackles, if it had been titled "People in Indiana can legally shoot, in self-defense , anyone perpetrating an illegal, armed invasion into their homes!"

FIFY

 

[Pushrod]

OTOH - if the police have the wrong address and THEY shoot an innocent person, shouldn't the LEO who is ultimately responsible also be "charged accordingly" - ***AND treated EXACTLY like the homeowner would havebeen***?

May not even be the LEO who actually fired the shot. Just whomever in the department is ultimately responsible for the screw up.

When stuff like this happens, SOMEBODY needs to go to JAIL! Not just get a "mark on their record" or even fired. Unfortunately, that is seldom the case. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong.)

Yes, absolutely it should go both ways. Equal protection under the law should cover every citizen in this country.

 

[gtodave]

If a cop is doing nothing illegal, they have nothing to worry about with this law...
Sound familiar?

Yes, a couple people in this very thread have said it once or twice when the shoe was on the other foot.

/thread!

QFT

 

[Indiana Jones]

That's illegal under the bill, if you had read it

Laws are like soooo totally yesterday bro. Same with reading. If I can this bill on tape maybe...

 

[Bigdtc]

Except for trigger happy tin foil hatters who know the warrant IS for them...

In that case, the tin foil hatters will be convicted and jailed, same as ever..

What's an 'illegal dong'? Ron Jeremy sufficient, or do we have to step up to John Holmes?

 

[jrumann59]

While I understand where this law is coming from only time will tell. Both sides of the argument are compelling. The only thing I will say is this will cops be more ready to pull the trigger following a breach than they are now, I can see this law leading to more innocent deaths across the board. Cops more amped to be the first to pull the trigger than wait and see after the smoke has cleared.

 

[clandestine]

In that case, the tin foil hatters will be convicted and jailed, same as ever..

Convicted? Nope, more like a smoking, lead enriched, pile of ground beef.

 

[Kiev88cm]

I refuse to be forced to invest in night vision technology to identify the thug that kicks my door in at night. The fact that I have done nothing wrong and you are forcing your way into my home has triggered my auto defense mechanisms.... hell will be unleashed.... please check your address book or GPS.

 

[Bigdtc]

Convicted? Nope, more like a smoking, lead enriched, pile of ground beef.

Then the perpetrators of that CRIME will be convicted and jailed.. equal protection can not be denied anymore. At least in Indiana.

 

[Safetech]

I refuse to be forced to invest in night vision technology to identify the thug that kicks my door in at night. The fact that I have done nothing wrong and you are forcing your way into my home has triggered my auto defense mechanisms.... hell will be unleashed.... please check your address book or GPS.

Is there really ANY other ***logical*** way TO react? Just a few seconds' hesitation or indecision could easily result in you and/or your family being killed.

And if you KNOW you've done nothing wrong, what else are you supposed to think when your door comes flying in, and a bunch of armed men come rushing through it, yelling and screaming?

Do you think, "This may be a bunch of LEOs who screwed up". Or are you going to think, "Hey, some guys (possibly pretending to be cops) just kicked in my door!"

In today's world, your very life could depend on that split-second decision.

I'd feel bad if I shot a cop (assuming I didn't end up dead too), because someone screwed up and they belong one street over. But I would feel a LOT worse if I had to watch my wife be gang raped before the intruders killed us both, because I hesitated.

 

[diesel-man]

While I understand where this law is coming from only time will tell. Both sides of the argument are compelling. The only thing I will say is this will cops be more ready to pull the trigger following a breach than they are now, I can see this law leading to more innocent deaths across the board. Cops more amped to be the first to pull the trigger than wait and see after the smoke has cleared.

It is more about Civil suits...after the fact. (stand your ground & castle laws)

What it should do is make LEO more sure of their targets. (addresses and severity of trespass of law). Meaning are you going to use the SWAT team for an ounce of pot?


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[jrumann59]

It is more about Civil suits...after the fact. (stand your ground & castle laws)

What it should do is make LEO more sure of their targets. (addresses and severity of trespass of law). Meaning are you going to use the SWAT team for an ounce of pot?


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I understand that and sympathize. But regardless all it takes is one cop to pause on a no-knock to verify target and to be killed by a home owner who has no clue what is going on. Once this happens it will be a snowball

 

[Baccusboy]

I understand that and sympathize. But regardless all it takes is one cop to pause on a no-knock to verify target and to be killed by a home owner who has no clue what is going on. Once this happens it will be a snowball

Other than the rare case of some murderer holding hostages in a room, I'm not so sure it's necessary for an armed team of police to go busting into a house in so many situations.

 

[diesel-man]

I understand that and sympathize. But regardless all it takes is one cop to pause on a no-knock to verify target and to be killed by a home owner who has no clue what is going on. Once this happens it will be a snowball

That "pause" happens down the street...not at the perps door....think about it...

Pause to verify the address/house and pause to think if this event (no knock) is worth losing life and limb over...an ounce of pot?

Here is a good recent example:
http://news.yahoo.com/official-nypd-officer-charged-shooting-121628278.html

Tragically, Indiana has had to admit through law (not common sense as in decades past) that one size doesn't fit all. The whole US is not like Mayberry (Mount Airy, NC in the 50's) but somewhere along the line it has gotten out of hand when the SWAT team comes to the the Mayors front door. (Google it it if you don't know about it.) When common sense returns, many stupid and frivolous laws can be struck from the books. I just don't see it happening.

2700+ pages for a health care bill should tell you that it starts from the top, not the bottom, and you won't live to see the end of it either. Hopefully the healthcare bill dies, or at least in part, but as long as there are politicians, they will not let themselves be put out of work...hence longer more frivolous laws/bills.

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[alucard0822]

I understand that and sympathize. But regardless all it takes is one cop to pause on a no-knock to verify target and to be killed by a home owner who has no clue what is going on. Once this happens it will be a snowball

Police NOT pausing to verify targets or to investigate the credibility of info has killed quite a few homeowners who didn't know what was going on. A snowball didn't happen, only this law, hopefully clear civil and criminal liability, along with increased professional accountability will ensure bad raids are as scarce as possible. Police are the professionals, they work hard with little pay and go through great personal effort and sacrifice to choose this noble and dangerous profession, but it is a profession that they choose willingly. I am all for officers to adopt policies, procedures, and equipment that keep them safe in the line of duty, but not at the expense of civil liberties, constitutionally protected rights, or the health and safety of innocent citizens. Police know the job is dangerous and sign up for it anyways, that makes them heroes, the cost of this heroism is that when a matter comes down to officer "safety" vs civil rights vs safety of innocent people, then officer safety is the one of the 3 that is most expendable, civil/constitutional rights are the one that is not expendable at all. If this law causes officers and politicians to question the frequency of raids, the increasingly minor offenses worthy of a raid, the increasing militarization of police, and the accuracy of intel and compliance with law before calling down the thunder, then it is a good law.

 

[Half-cocked]

What it should do is make LEO more sure of their targets. (addresses and severity of trespass of law). Meaning are you going to use the SWAT team for an ounce of pot?

It's already happened, right here in Maryland, over "trace amounts" found in someone's trash. With deadly results:

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2009-03-18/news/0903170062_1_lynn-noel-cheryl-lynn-raid

 

[Safetech]

I understand that and sympathize. But regardless all it takes is one cop to pause on a no-knock to verify target and to be killed by a home owner who has no clue what is going on.

So what SHOULD the home owner do (assuming he knows he's done nothing wrong), if a bunch of men (who say they are the police), come crashing through the door, unanounced?

Should HE "pause"?

 

[WeaponsCollector]

It's already happened, right here in Maryland, over "trace amounts" found in someone's trash. With deadly results:

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2009-03-18/news/0903170062_1_lynn-noel-cheryl-lynn-raid

Someone's got to post it...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV7u91A3KGQ

 

[WeaponsCollector]

"The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the prohibition law.

For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced."

-Albert Einstein, My First Impression of the U.S.A., 1921