This is gonna make some of you Jealous!!!

yellowsled · Aug 23, 2012

I really dont like to brag about new items because i dont want to seem stuck up, but this one is just WOW! I got lucky on this one..

First off are the bad:
- small import mark under the barrel, durectly above the bayo. Very hard to see.
- I believe its a replacement stock as there are no numbers on it. Correct blade cut though.

Im thinking only the hardcore SKS collectors are gonna pick up on the historical value on it. :thumbsup:

And now on to the pics...

h2u · Aug 23, 2012

I know nothing about SKS's, but that one is SWEET!! Congrats :thumbsup:

Never be afraid to show off your firearms. That's pretty much why we're all here- to learn about them!

august1410 · Aug 23, 2012

Vietnamese?

zoostation · Aug 23, 2012

See if I can remember some things from my own SKS collecting days. Chinese Factory 26 gun with a very, very low serial # and a blade bayo. Sino-Soviet?

Al's Snackbar · Aug 23, 2012

Early CHICOM model (circa early 1956) built at the Jianshe armory under Soviet supervision. By late 1956 the CHICOM's started adding Chinese characters by the serial number (yours has some cyrllic letter that I can't tell you what it is 'cause I don't speak Russkie).

Al's Snackbar for the victory???? :bannana:

zoostation · Aug 24, 2012

Al's Snackbar said:
Early CHICOM model (circa early 1956) built at the Jianshe armory under Soviet supervision. By late 1956 the CHICOM's started adding Chinese characters by the serial number (yours has some cyrllic letter that I can't tell you what it is 'cause I don't speak Russkie).

Al's Snackbar for the victory????

Al's Snackbar for the word salad repeat of what I just said.

Like I said when I saw it, early Factory 26 (that is the Jianshe factory), probably a Sino-Soviet. In other words made using at least some Russian parts which were also shipped to the Chinese along with the tooling to make the SKS.

The upside down 1 is not a Cyrillic letter that I know about. More than likely it's just that, an upside down 1 stamped by people with very little western literacy skills. Maybe on purpose, maybe not.

Factory 26 guns are regarded as likely the only ones where you can reliably date them based on serial #, usually using 7 digit sequential number that went up to the next million every year. For instance, I have 1,***,*** serial number Factory 26 gun that I would date to 1957. The serial number on that one would like make it a first year gun. However, with any Chinese production guns nothing is absolute.

Al's Snackbar · Aug 24, 2012

zoostation said:
Al's Snackbar for the word salad repeat of what I just said.

Zoostation putting the complex dressing & salt/pepper on my awesome, yet simple, garden salad. :lol2:

Perhaps the updside down "1" was being used 'cause the Soviets had forgotten to bring a "Г" with them?

yellowsled · Aug 24, 2012

Yea.. Zoo and Al nailed it.

I was looking for a C&R chinese sks and stumbled upon this one at auction. I bid to win, and took it home. Bore is mint, and doesnt look like a refurb and the blue loss is consistent all over.

=GoMango= · Aug 24, 2012

yellowsled said:
Yea.. Zoo and Al nailed it.

I was looking for a C&R chinese sks and stumbled upon this one at auction. I bid to win, and took it home. Bore is mint, and doesnt look like a refurb and the blue loss is consistent all over.

It's certainly old enough to be "C&R" but I was unaware that the BATFE started accepting any Chinese made SKS rifles as C&R .

Is that a new BATFE rule on just Sino-Soviet type 56 Chinese made SKS rifles ?

yellowsled · Aug 24, 2012

=GoMango= said:
It's certainly old enough to be "C&R" but I was unaware that the BATFE started accepting any Chinese made SKS rifles as C&R .

Is that a new BATFE rule on just Sino-Soviet type 56 Chinese made SKS rifles ?

its by year that it qualifies. Unlike yugo and albanian and suck listed in the book, chinese is not so the only way it qualifies is by production date. Sino's were only made in early 1956 so they are good to go.

Al's Snackbar · Aug 24, 2012

yellowsled said:
Sino's were only made in early 1956 so they are good to go.

CHICOM production BEGAN in early 1956..and continued for a long time.

yellowsled · Aug 24, 2012

not with the cyrillic letters, they were only used early 1956.

Some argue that only the ones with the cyrillic russian letters are true sino's

=GoMango= · Aug 24, 2012

yellowsled said:
its by year that it qualifies. Unlike yugo and albanian and suck listed in the book, chinese is not so the only way it qualifies is by production date. Sino's were only made in early 1956 so they are good to go.

Well your wrong

There are so many people who have written letters to the ATF in order to educate them but they don't care . Here is an example : http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=30811.0

If you used your C&R license to purchase that Chinese SKS rifle from out of state your going to get jammed up in an audit !

The BATFE does not recognise any Chinese SKS rifles as C&R.

yellowsled · Aug 24, 2012

They admit that production started in 1956, and nowhere do they say that if its chinese its not C&R. I read those letters 3 times and it does not say that ALL chinese sks's are not C&R. Some are, based on dating it.

You are wrong.

Here is some bedtime reading for you
http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=26665

- Russian style (early 1956). While under Russian supervision, it was only natural the Russian advisors would implement the Russian style of serial numbering on the Chinese built SKS. They basically followed the Russian style but instead of using 2 cyrillic letters followed by 4 numbers, they used 1 alfa letter followed by 4 numbers. On a few rare occasions an unrecognizable symbol was observed in place of the alfa letter.
This early first year production is better known as Sino-Soviet SKS.
eg early 1956: A1234 /26\

=GoMango= · Aug 24, 2012

yellowsled said:
They admit that production started in 1956, and nowhere do they say that if its chinese its not C&R. I read those letters 3 times and it does not say that ALL chinese sks's are not C&R. Some are, based on dating it.

You are wrong.

Here is some bedtime reading for you
http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=26665

- Russian style (early 1956). While under Russian supervision, it was only natural the Russian advisors would implement the Russian style of serial numbering on the Chinese built SKS. They basically followed the Russian style but instead of using 2 cyrillic letters followed by 4 numbers, they used 1 alfa letter followed by 4 numbers. On a few rare occasions an unrecognizable symbol was observed in place of the alfa letter.
This early first year production is better known as Sino-Soviet SKS.
eg early 1956: A1234 /26\

I'm well aware of the history of the Sino-Soviet SKS :lol:

You need to educate yourself on C&R regulations as well as Chinese SKS production history.

NO CHINESE MADE SKS RIFLE QUALIFIES AS C&R.

Call or write the BATFE before you get jammed up in an audit.

yellowsled · Aug 24, 2012

=GoMango= said:
I'm well aware of the history of the Sino-Soviet SKS

You need to educate yourself on C&R regulations as well as Chinese SKS production history.

NO CHINESE MADE SKS RIFLE QUALIFIES AS C&R.

Call or write the BATFE before you get jammed up in an audit.

Please educate me, where does it say this?

How is it not C&R if its made in 1956? Every gun once it hits 50 years old automatically becomes C&R status.

=GoMango= · Aug 24, 2012

yellowsled said:
Please educate me, where does it say this?

How is it not C&R if its made in 1956? Every gun once it hits 50 years old automatically becomes C&R status.

Because the Chinese GOVT has never officaly released any information on their military weapons production the BATFE will not recognise the production info that collectors all know.

Call the BATFE, don't take my word for it.
It is common knowledge among most seasoned collectors :cool:

Hope that auction where you picked it up was a in MD auction

Oldcarjunkie · Aug 25, 2012

Your both wrong, now send it to me for inspection and to join the other two in my safe. :tongue01:

While i understand your point yellowsled( and i agree with you, it should be), I think you would be hard pressed convincing BATFE if it was questioned due to the Chinese not releasing the productions dates. This is why I sent both of my Sinos and any Chinese i bought from a online auction to Keepshooting for a transfer. Not worth the risk and i dont mind working with a Great IP.

Ok, now still send it to me..

Sirex · Aug 25, 2012

Yellowsled, those Chinese SKSs are known for blowing up, poor workmanship, and poor reliability. I'll do you a favor cause I am a swell guy and trade you a mighty Mosin 91/30 for it. The mighty rifle John Wayne used to single handedly defeat the Germans in WW2 at the Alamo.

TapRackBang · Aug 25, 2012

Since there is no way to prove when the rifle was made because there is no record of serial numbers and dates, it does appear in my non-expert opinion to not be a C&R. Which is a shame.

Has anybody tried to get a museum curator to declare CHICOMs to be of historic value?
Should we start a roadside museum (use one of those blue boxes with a built-in seat.

), appoint Yellowsled curator, then have him send a letter to BATFE?
Why wouldn't we do that?

That's a cool SKS, 'Sled. Very nice find. :thumbsup:

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