This is what happens when you try to prove a point

Russ D · Jan 29, 2012

So I'm at Hap Baker today shooting some Ar's with hand loads and decided to throw some Wolf rounds down to show my father how drastic the accuracy level is. So I shoot a nice 5 shot group at 100 with my 1-4x scoped 3gun rifle and 75 grain Hornady HPBT hand loads.

Then I shoot two quick three shot groups with Wolf to show how horrible it is.

Except it really wasn't that bad. WOA barrels really are pretty darn special IMHO. I even moved my zero on the scope to match the Wolf and fired another group to verify. Yes only 3 shot groups, but clearly the Wolf is close to if not MOA in this gun. Also I'm shooting a 1-4x optic with a 3 moa center dot(Nikon M223). Not exactly the best optic for shooting groups at 100 but proof that it can be done.

Then I shot a group of 55 Vmax handloads in the rifle I built for my father for fathers day. The Superior barrel didn't do too bad either.

Kilroy · Jan 29, 2012

Well, that's embarrassing and quite lucky at the same time. Bought a case of Wolf yet?

clandestine · Jan 29, 2012

Good educational topic Russ. I always enjoy reading your posts.

Russ D · Jan 29, 2012

clandestine said:
Good educational topic Russ. I always enjoy reading your posts.

Now I'm no fan of Wolf and especially not in a 556 chamber, but the WOA Wylde chambers seem to shoot most any ammo pretty accurately.

E.Shell · Jan 29, 2012

clandestine said:
Good educational topic Russ. I always enjoy reading your posts.

When I started having custom rifles built, I discovered that the ammo is not always THE key to performance that I always perceived it to be. A good quality barrel with correct chambering techniques (like the WOA tube) will shoot an amazing assortment of ammo well, even junk.

I had a Remington VS .22-250 in the 70s that I literally fought with trying to get it to shoot well. Best of the best delivered 3/4" groups, and they were hard to duplicate. I bought a precision made Hart .22-250 that had been set up for benchrest (pre-PPC days, for sure) and that thing would dump ANYTHING into 1/2", and most ammo types shot into the same hole. I actually quit handloading for it and wore the barrel out shooting Federal Premium 55 BTHPs and 40 grain Blitzes.

Where that Wolf stuff will typically fall apart is at longer distances, where drop is more affected by MV variations and groups go vertical.

sailskidrive · Jan 29, 2012

Interesting. I did something similar at Hap comparing Tula and Brown Bear thru a PTR91 with 4x glass.

They both grouped around 3-4 inches at 100 yards, however at 200 the Tula opened up and was all over the paper. (half size silohuette). The Brown Bear held about a 7 inch group with an occasional flyer wayyyyy outside.

Nice write up Russ.

Lex Armarum · Jan 29, 2012

That's funny. I was at Hap today putting my AR through its paces and was having a hell of a time with it. Good shooting and good to know that Wolf isn't entirely crap.

Russ D · Jan 29, 2012

Rusty Shackleford said:
That's funny. I was at Hap today putting my AR through its paces and was having a hell of a time with it. Good shooting and good to know that Wolf isn't entirely crap.

Unless you have a very good barrel, Wolf really is entirely crap.

mopar92 · Jan 29, 2012

These threads are pissing me off. I was at Hap and had no idea you guys where there. I was mostly shooting pistols then me and my little sister shot on lane 1 (.22 and AR). From 230 to 4

aquaman · Jan 29, 2012

Russ D said:
Unless you have a very good barrel, Wolf really is entirely crap.

Depends on what you want out of it. I know of a few Deer that would disagree with you.

7.62x54r between 50-200 yards

lx1x · Jan 29, 2012

mopar92 said:
These threads are pissing me off. I was at Hap and had no idea you guys where there. I was mostly shooting pistols then me and my little sister shot on lane 1 (.22 and AR). From 230 to 4

go to meet and greet. lol

MikeTF · Jan 29, 2012

Did you clean your barrel and AR between the ammo tests? (seriously: I'm just joking around).

Minuteman · Jan 29, 2012

Great post. I am a bit surprised by your results. I've said for years that two or three well placed 9mm are better than any single .45 APC bullet.

Russ D · Jan 29, 2012

MikeTF said:
Did you clean your barrel and AR between the ammo tests? (seriously: I'm just joking around).

Nope, and no malfunctions of any kind.

sailskidrive · Jan 29, 2012

Sounds like we need a MDSF afternoon at Hap Baker...

Russ D · Jan 29, 2012

sailskidrive said:
Sounds like we need a MDSF afternoon at Hap Baker...

I'm there almost every weekend. Lately it has to be Sundays due to my daughters soccer schedule.

sailskidrive · Jan 29, 2012

I almost always shoot in the middle two lanes that only have the 100 and 200 yard berms. Every time I'm there, there is a guy in his late fifties shooting one inch orange dots on pie plates. He only shoots 308 and is always in a center lane. Anyone know him?

Russ D · Jan 29, 2012

sailskidrive said:
I almost always shoot in the middle two lanes. Every time I'm there, there is a guy in his late fifties shooting one inch orange dots on pie plates. He only shoots 308 and is always in a center lane. Anyone know him?

Nope, don't know him but see him there almost every Saturday morning I'm there.

peace · Jan 31, 2012

sailskidrive said:
I almost always shoot in the middle two lanes that only have the 100 and 200 yard berms. Every time I'm there, there is a guy in his late fifties shooting one inch orange dots on pie plates. He only shoots 308 and is always in a center lane. Anyone know him?

You like it out at Hap Baker? I haven't checked it out yet? I second the call for a MDSF day at HB

Numidian · Jan 31, 2012

mopar92 said:
These threads are pissing me off. I was at Hap and had no idea you guys where there. I was mostly shooting pistols then me and my little sister shot on lane 1 (.22 and AR). From 230 to 4

lx1x said:
go to meet and greet. lol

And bring your sister :innocent0

or at least post some pics

This is what happens when you try to prove a point

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