Things starting to look up for the 300 Blackout !

JeepDriver · Nov 4, 2011

If this ammo starts hitting shelves, I have an upper/lower waiting on a tax stamp and barrel.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=92005

I really hope this ammo starts shipping soon. I want a 10" barreled set up in this caliber. Been waiting on the supersonic ammo to become readily aviable. Looks like I may have another project to finish this winter !

Russ D · Nov 4, 2011

JeepDriver said:
If this ammo starts hitting shelves, I have an upper/lower waiting on a tax stamp and barrel.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=92005

I really hope this ammo starts shipping soon. I want a 10" barreled set up in this caliber. Been waiting on the supersonic ammo to become readily aviable. Looks like I may have another project to finish this winter !

Mine is almost done and im sure hoping I can find ammo and brass for relatively cheap prices when it is.

Nemesis · Nov 5, 2011

.300 Blackout...trying to reinvent the wheel, and still falling short.

what, exactly, is the draw to this 7.62wanabe, if i may ask?

when i first seen it i did like the idea of it, a nice .30 caliber, 125 grain round at around 2250-2300 FPS, yea thats pretty cool...but it only takes 5 seconds to realize that...well, they even admit they wanted the get the performance of the 7.62x39, but their still short by 150 or so FPS, and on top of that has anyone though that maybe the almost complete lack of a tapir to the case could cause some extraction issues? everything backout can do, 7.62x39 does better...

leroygibbs · Nov 5, 2011

Uhh... I thought the blackout was supposed to be much better performance than a 7.62x39....

It's an interesting cartridge, but I've always liked 30-30 too

razorV23 · Nov 5, 2011

Russ D said:
Mine is almost done and im sure hoping I can find ammo and brass for relatively cheap prices when it is.

Aim Surplus has super and sub ammo sometimes, get on there email notification when it comes in. $15 a box, not great but getting better.

JeepDriver · Nov 5, 2011

Nemesis said:
what, exactly, is the draw to this 7.62wanabe,

Short barrel performance.

They originally wanted to duplicate the velocity from a 9" barrel. I don't know what barrel the velocity they posted in the link is from. I'm going to find out though.

Nemesis · Nov 5, 2011

wiki states the 9" barrel velocity at 2130 FPS w/ 123 Gr round...which is still what x39 will do.

edit: not really knockin the round...just to make that clear...im just saying trying to better understand the practicality to it

NHaze · Nov 5, 2011

I believe it has something to do with the round being designed from the get to supress well as well as only having to change a barrel on an AR to accept it. It uses standard uppers, bolts, and mags I believe.

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Drmsparks · Nov 5, 2011

NHaze said:
I believe it has something to do with the round being designed from the get to supress well as well as only having to change a barrel on an AR to accept it. It uses standard uppers, bolts, and mags I believe.

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If I have been reading what Jeep and Ben have been posting correctly this post nails it.

JeepDriver · Nov 5, 2011

Nemesis said:
wiki states the 9" barrel velocity at 2130 FPS w/ 123 Gr round...which is still what x39 will do.

edit: not really knockin the round...just to make that clear...im just saying trying to better understand the practicality to it

The practicality of it to me is the platform it's in.

I'm not an AK fan, I like the AR platform. While they can make the x39 fit the platform, reliability and mags are suspect.

87Theworld · Nov 5, 2011

Wow I have never heard of new rifle caliber. What would be good to hunt with it?

jawn · Nov 5, 2011

87Theworld said:
Wow I have never heard of new rifle caliber. What would be good to hunt with it?

The most dangerous game.

All kidding aside, anything you'd hunt with a 30-30.

87Theworld · Nov 5, 2011

oh got to shoot this round then just to see how it feels.

Russ D · Nov 5, 2011

It feeds better in the Ar platform than the x39.

hvymax · Nov 5, 2011

JeepDriver said:
If this ammo starts hitting shelves, I have an upper/lower waiting on a tax stamp and barrel.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=92005

I really hope this ammo starts shipping soon. I want a 10" barreled set up in this caliber. Been waiting on the supersonic ammo to become readily aviable. Looks like I may have another project to finish this winter !

Supersonic ammo in a round that was designed to be subsonic?

vin · Nov 5, 2011

Another reason for it is that it uses the standard bolt, opposed to using a modified bolt with a larger face which reduces the strength behind the locking lugs.

I'm interested in it myself for deer hunting with my AR.

mikec · Nov 5, 2011

Imagine going hunting with a suppressed AR? No damage or reduced damage to the ears. when you take a shot.

How quiet are the suppressors for this round?

rsilvers · Nov 6, 2011

Nemesis said:
.300 Blackout...trying to reinvent the wheel, and still falling short.

what, exactly, is the draw to this 7.62wanabe, if i may ask?

when i first seen it i did like the idea of it, a nice .30 caliber, 125 grain round at around 2250-2300 FPS, yea thats pretty cool...but it only takes 5 seconds to realize that...well, they even admit they wanted the get the performance of the 7.62x39, but their still short by 150 or so FPS, and on top of that has anyone though that maybe the almost complete lack of a tapir to the case could cause some extraction issues? everything backout can do, 7.62x39 does better...

At 300 meters, 300 BLK has 16.7% more energy than 7.62x39mm. Prove me wrong. Go to Lapua's website and look up their 7.62x39mm BC and velocity. That is the best and hottest 7.62x39mm ammo.

Second - the case has *exactly* the same taper as 5.56mm.

Third - 7.62x39mm does not work in normal AR magazines. It almost works in special AR magazines, but not with any kind of reliability.

Fourth - 7.62x39mm requires a special bolt. Not only is the bolt unique, but it is of very weak design and can break after a few hundred rounds.

Fifth - the primers on 7.62x39mm are often hard, and you never know if it will fire.

The attraction to 300 BLK is due to it being a way to shoot 30 rounds of 30 caliber ammo while using a normal bolt and magazine.

rsilvers · Nov 6, 2011

hvymax said:
Supersonic ammo in a round that was designed to be subsonic?

The 300 BLK was not compromised at all to have subsonic capability. The case length is as long as it can be while still working in normal magazines. Normal / supersonic ammo is by far the most popular.

rsilvers · Nov 6, 2011

$12.99 MSRP a box.

Crimped.

Waterproof primer.

Double-struck (NATO hardness) brass.

Open Tip match (nose struck closed).

Annealed with visible mark for verification.

About a 0.300 BC at 2250 fps.

Full-out-awesome, and I am very proud of the ammunition engineers for taking the dream-approach on this.

There will be no shortage of this. If the market wants a million rounds a month, it will get it. It has its own machines.

Gun makers - make guns.

Things starting to look up for the 300 Blackout !

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