Frederick, MD: Multi-State CCW Course (Utah, Florida, Virginia)

Marksmen Masters · Jul 12, 2010

Marksman Masters Firearms Training Academy is pleased to offer Maryland residents the ability to participate in our Multi-State Concealed Firearms Permit Courses. We offer monthly training in Northern VA (Loudoun County), as well as frequent classes in Frederick, MD. The next Multi-State CCW Course for Utah, Florida and Virginia CCWs will be held on Monday evening, 16-August from 6-10pm in Frederick, MD. The cost of the course is only $130 and includes all fingerprint and application services. For more information and to register, please visit www.HelpMeShoot.com

parbreak · Jul 17, 2010

Doesn't Florida require a live fire session for their permit?

Todd v. · Jul 17, 2010

parbreak said:
Doesn't Florida require a live fire session for their permit?

Nope, you can get a FL permit by simply watching the MD gun safety video... It's pretty lax.

3rdRcn · Jul 17, 2010

Todd v. said:
Nope, you can get a FL permit by simply watching the MD gun safety video... It's pretty lax.

I don't think they are accepting the Maryland safety card anymore as they have a live fire requirement. They were rejecting the Maryland card and had a minimum of an NRA course as a requirement, which has a live fire segment for any of the pistol courses. They may have started accepting the Maryland card again, but I know there were a few folks who got rejected for it in the past here.

NateIU10 · Jul 17, 2010

3rdRcn said:
I don't think they are accepting the Maryland safety card anymore as they have a live fire requirement. They were rejecting the Maryland card and had a minimum of an NRA course as a requirement, which has a live fire segment for any of the pistol courses. They may have started accepting the Maryland card again, but I know there were a few folks who got rejected for it in the past here.

When? I used my Indiana Hunter's Education card (online test for like $15) as my proof of training. I could've used competition results, but i was easier to supply and copy, and they accepted it no problem. This was September of 2009 I got mine.

3rdRcn · Jul 17, 2010

NateIU10 said:
When? I used my Indiana Hunter's Education card (online test for like $15) as my proof of training. I could've used competition results, but i was easier to supply and copy, and they accepted it no problem. This was September of 2009 I got mine.

Can't remember when they did it, I'm thinkin it was late last year or the beginning of this year. Look around in the Florida CCW posts and you'll find it though. The Indiana hunter education is not the same as the maryland on line training vid, I don't know why they stopped accepting the Maryland one but I seem to recall them saying they required live fire to one of the guys here. Don't remember all the details but I do remember guys getting rejected here using the Maryland card.

Mdeng · Jul 17, 2010

parbreak said:
Doesn't Florida require a live fire session for their permit?

Todd v. said:
Nope, you can get a FL permit by simply watching the MD gun safety video... It's pretty lax.

The following is taken directly from Florida's web site. The reason some of the Maryland training certificates are not accepted is that they do not carry a signiture from an instructor unlike the old certificates that were singned by an instructor. The on-line certificates do get through from time to time but not always. I have spoken to several people who this has happened to and just as many that got their permits. Keep in mind if you use the on-line Maryland certificate it could be rejected. They take any States Hunter education Certificate. As for live fire, I missed the last line of the paragraph which clearly shows that live fire must be observed by the instructor. Thanks for pointing it out in the next post Jim. Mdeng

Demonstrates competence with a firearm by any one of the following:
1. Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or a similar agency of another state;

2. Completion of any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course;

3. Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law enforcement, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school, utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association, Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission, or the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services;

4. Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement;

5. Presents evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition or military service;

6. Is licensed or has been licensed to carry a firearm in this state or a county or municipality of this state, unless such license has been revoked for cause; or

7. Completion of any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association certified firearms instructor;

A photocopy of a certificate of completion of any of the courses or classes; or an affidavit from the instructor, school, club, organization, or group that conducted or taught said course or class attesting to the completion of the course or class by the applicant; or a copy of any document which shows completion of the course or class or evidences participation in firearms competition shall constitute evidence of qualification under this paragraph; any person who conducts a course pursuant to subparagraph 2., subparagraph 3., or subparagraph 7., or who, as an instructor, attests to the completion of such courses, must maintain records certifying that he or she observed the student safely handle and discharge the firearm;

ProShooter · Jul 18, 2010

Mdeng said:
The following is taken directly from Florida's web site. At this time there is nothing indicating that live fire is required. ]

Perrin - that is not true anymore as of 12/09. If you are using a gun safety class from an NRA instructor, you must undergo a live fire component and the instructor must maintain that record. Its sucks, but its true.

The application criteria requires the applicant read Chapter 790 of the Florida statute before applying. The application states:

You are required by law to read and become knowledgeable of Chapter 790, Florida Statutes, relating to weapons and
firearms, prior to submitting your application for a Concealed Weapon or Firearm License. A copy of Chapter 790, Florida
Statutes, is included with the application material for you to retain.

and then 790.06 (H) says.....

(h) Demonstrates competence with a firearm by any one
of the following:
1. Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety
course approved by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation
Commission or a similar agency of another state;
2. Completion of any National Rifle Association firearms
safety or training course;
3. Completion of any firearms safety or training course
or class available to the general public offered by a law
enforcement, junior college, college, or private or public
institution or organization or firearms training school,
utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle
Association, Criminal Justice Standards and Training
Commission, or the Department of Agriculture and
Consumer Services;
4. Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or
training course or class offered for security guards,
investigators, special deputies, or any division or
subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement;
5. Presents evidence of equivalent experience with a
firearm through participation in organized shooting
competition or military service;
6. Is licensed or has been licensed to carry a firearm in
this state or a county or municipality of this state, unless
such license has been revoked for cause; or
7. Completion of any firearms training or safety course
or class conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle
Association certified firearms instructor;

A photocopy of a certificate of completion of any of the
courses or classes; or an affidavit from the instructor,
school, club, organization, or group that conducted or
taught said course or class attesting to the completion of
the course or class by the applicant; or a copy of any
document which shows completion of the course or class
or evidences participation in firearms competition shall
constitute evidence of qualification under this paragraph;
any person who conducts a course pursuant to
subparagraph 2., subparagraph 3., or subparagraph 7.,
or who, as an instructor, attests to the completion of such
courses, must maintain records certifying that he or she
observed the student safely handle and discharge the
firearm;

Mdeng · Jul 18, 2010

Thanks Jim I missed the change and have corrected my post.

ProShooter · Jul 18, 2010

Mdeng said:
Thanks Jim I missed the change and have corrected my post.

No problem. I think it stinks but its another reason why the Utah permit is just flat out better.

parbreak · Jul 18, 2010

Thanks for the clarification. I knew I had heard that Florida was requiring live fire. I never worried about it because we always use the NRA Basic Pistol course as certification for Florida.

So, not to stir up stuff, but to the original poster, how are you conducting a Utah, Florida and Virigina CCW course in just 4 hours in the evening? It takes us approx. 5-6 hours to conduct just Utah with no live fire. Are you conducting a live fire session?

ProShooter · Jul 18, 2010

parbreak said:
So, not to stir up stuff, but to the original poster, how are you conducting a Utah, Florida and Virigina CCW course in just 4 hours in the evening? It takes us approx. 5-6 hours to conduct just Utah with no live fire. Are you conducting a live fire session?

I'd be interested in hearing that too. I'm always looking for ways to be more efficient in our training sessions.

FFMike · Jul 20, 2010

Where in Fredrick is this class being held?

parbreak · Jul 22, 2010

Almost 2 weeks and still no answer to my question or any further responses????? Also, I think and introduction on this forum is appropriate before you start posting your courses.

Bryan Fletcher

ProShooter · Jul 22, 2010

parbreak said:
Almost 2 weeks and still no answer to my question or any further responses????? Also, I think and introduction on this forum is appropriate before you start posting your courses.

Bryan Fletcher

Looks like the OP was their only post on the forum. Maybe they haven't been back since then?

3rdRcn · Jul 23, 2010

Looked up his web site and according to his course outline and the small disclosure at the bottom of the course description, his course does not meet the Florida requirements. He may have changed his course though and could be doing a first step pistol kinda course now as well.

He has not been back to the web site since July 12 when he posted his post, just fishin for some customers I guess.

From the web site:
While this course will review the basic safety fundamentals related to firearms, this course is not a live fire course and all discussions of firearms related laws is restricted strictly to Utah BCI.

parbreak · Jul 23, 2010

3rdRcn said:
Looked up his web site and according to his course outline and the small disclosure at the bottom of the course description, his course does not meet the Florida requirements. He may have changed his course though and could be doing a first step pistol kinda course now as well.

He has not been back to the web site since July 12 when he posted his post, just fishin for some customers I guess.

From the web site:
While this course will review the basic safety fundamentals related to firearms, this course is not a live fire course and all discussions of firearms related laws is restricted strictly to Utah BCI.

Found out a LOT more info about this "offering" and it may be stopped here very shortly. Utah is VERY protective of their courses. I'm not going to mix words, it's deceptive. Be above board, answer questions posed and how about a specific location?? In case anybody questions, I do have a vested interest in this but I also have a vested interest in not letting my fellow MDShooters get suckered into something.

Tactics · Jul 23, 2010

Take Bryan's class. He's a great guy, it's worth it and he obviously knows his stuff! :party29:

3rdRcn · Jul 23, 2010

parbreak said:
Found out a LOT more info about this "offering" and it may be stopped here very shortly. Utah is VERY protective of their courses. I'm not going to mix words, it's deceptive. Be above board, answer questions posed and how about a specific location?? In case anybody questions, I do have a vested interest in this but I also have a vested interest in not letting my fellow MDShooters just suckered into something.

I think you already know we're on the same page bro! Read more about the courses on his web site.

Tactics said:
Take Bryan's class. He's a great guy, it's worth it and he obviously knows his stuff!

He sucks and couldn't hit a barn if he was locked inside.

clandestine · Jul 23, 2010

3rdRcn said:
He sucks and couldn't hit a barn if he was locked inside.

Oh snap Bryan, your gonna have to see what your S.A. will do against his Wilson. :innocent0

Nevermind the men behind the triggers. Everyone knows 1911's shoot by themselves into one ragged hole, and just let the operator enjoy the ride.

Frederick, MD: Multi-State CCW Course (Utah, Florida, Virginia)

The #1 community for Gun Owners of the Northeast

Member Benefits:

Firearms Training Academy

Ultimate Member

Ultimate Member

RIP

Ultimate Member

RIP

Ultimate Member

Ultimate Member

Ultimate Member

Ultimate Member

Ultimate Member

Ultimate Member

Ultimate Member

Ultimate Member

Ultimate Member

RIP

Ultimate Member

Ultimate Member

RIP

AR-15 Savant

Users who are viewing this thread

Log in

Forum statistics