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Ripped from another thread. I thought it deserved a thread of its own but I'm not a lawyer.
Okay, so I have been doing some research on this discrepancy lately between the Handgun Roster Board and the Assault Pistol List with the Skorpion semiautomatic pistol and this is what I have found.
According to: http://www.vpc.org/studies/awaconc.htm
There was a law in November 1988 that was voted on and passed by Marylanders by a referendum to create and establish the MD Handgun Roster Board.
According to: http://www.iandrinstitute.org/Maryland.htm
The NRA tried to block the original bill in the General Assembly by a petition and sent sent the bill to a referendum. The NRA spent $4 Million on a "Vote No" campaign that failed. Hence, the Handgun Roster Board was formed.
According to: http://www.ajph.org/cgi/reprint/87/2/297-a
A law consisting of the "Assault Pistol" ban was made in June of 1994. Here is the relevant text of the law that was formed:
http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/statelaws/26thedition/maryland.pdf
Subtitle 3. Assault Pistols and Detachable
Magazines
4-301. "Assault pistol" defined. In this subtitle,
"assault pistol" means any of the following
firearms or a copy regardless of the producer or
manufacturer:
(11) Skorpion semiautomatic pistol;
And now this:
http://www.dsd.state.md.us/MDRegister/3523/main_register.htm
DEPARTMENT OF STATE POLICE
HANDGUN ROSTER BOARD
Proposed Additions to Handgun Roster (on DEC. 7th 2008)
MANUFACTURER
MODEL NAME MODEL NUMBER CALIBER
Auto Ordnance Thompson 1927A-1 TA5 .45 ACP
Charter Arms/
CHARCO Pink Lady N/A .38 SP
Charter Arms/
CHARCO Patriot “73270, 73274” All Calibers
D-Technik Skorpion VZ61 .32 ACP
German Sport
Guns (GSG) GSG 5 Pistol GSG 5 P .22 LR
Glock 20 SF 10mm
Glock 29SF 10mm
Heckler & Koch P30L N/A 9mm
Kimber Team Match II .38 Super (Caliber Addition)
Smith & Wesson N/A 315 .38 S&W Special
Smith & Wesson N/A 396 .44 SP
Now a question can be formed from this information: Does the MD Handgun Roster have the ability to override a MD Law? I don't know but there is more to this interesting story than you may think.
Above we look at the banned Assault Pistol List and find a firearm listed in the code as "(11) Skorpion semiautomatic pistol." A question we have to ask ourselves is: What exactly is this firearm or which firearm did the legislature mean when they enacted this law? Most of you would say, "Well duh! The one we are talking about right?" Well, maybe not. Look here at another Skorpion semiautomatic pistol that is APPROVED for sale on the Maryland Handgun Roster!
http://www.mdsp.org/
Intratec Handguns
The following are the Handguns made by Intratec that are legal in Maryland
Model Model Number Caliber
Skorpion TEC-22 .22 LR
And here is yet another Skorpion pistol. (This pistol is not approved for sale in Maryland)
This pistol is in 9mm made by Armitage Intl. and the model is called Scarb Skorpion. To me this sounds more like the pistol MD wanted banned at the time. It's a 9mm caliber. The same as the UZI, TEC-9, and some of the MAC-10's. It is even made during the years right before the "Assault Pistol" ban and it even had the "evil" threaded barrel feature.
https://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/952872696.htm
Armitage Intl. model Scarb Skorpion. Total Production of 602. Manufactured in USA during 1989-1990. 9mm cal. paramilitary design. Patterned after the Czech model 61. It has a 4.63" threaded barrel (will take Cobray extensions), matte black finish, 2 Magazines (1-12 rnd & 1-32 rnd), magazine loader, all papers, and original oil sample. (serial # 005XX).
As we all know the MD law of '94 also mimicked the Federal Crime Bill signed by President Bill Clinton and what firearm do we find on the now defunct ban? That is right, the Scarab Skorpion Pistol under firearm number 141. http://www.gunsworld.com/law/laws_clinton_us.html
Do we find the Scorpion VZ-61 on this list? No. Most likely because it was still only a machine gun. From everything I have seen lately, it looks as though the Skorpion VZ-61 was only converted to a semi-auto only recently. Therefore there was no Skorpion VZ-61's to ban in 1994 when the "Assault Pistol" ban was enacted.
From this information, the VZ-61 only became a semi-auto option in 2005. This was way after the "Assault Pistol" ban was enacted.
http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-255627.html
An even more interesting question is why the MD Legislature felt the need to ban a specific list of "Assault Pistols" in 1994 when there was ALREADY a Handgun Roster Board since 1988? The Board would have never approved those firearms anyway.
For my conclusion I think the legislature was banning the Scarab Skorpion Pistol when then mentioned the Skorpion semiautomatic pistol and not the Czech Skorpion VZ-61. The Scarab Skorpion was made during the era of the ban, it was a 9mm (a so called caliber choice of criminals), it had a threaded barrel, it is also listed on the now defunct Federal Crime Bill of '94, the same bill the Scorpion VZ-61 is not listed on, and the Skorpion VZ-61 was not a semi-automatic firearm in 1994 when the "Assault Pistol" ban was enacted. Another reason for my conclusion is that most of the other firearms are listed specifically such as Heckler and Koch semiautomatic SP-89 pistol, Ingram Mac-10, and the Intratec Tec-9. Don't you think if the legislature was speaking of the Czech Skorpion VZ-61 that they would have SPECIFICALLY listed it just like the others? Such as, Skorpion VZ-61 Semiautomatic pistol. I conclude the Skorpion VZ-61 is not the same firearm that is listed in the "Assault Pistol" ban as the (11) Skorpion semiautomatic pistol. The firearm that I believe that is listed under the "Assault Pistol" list is the Scarab Skorpion in 9mm made by Armitage Intl between 1989 and 1990.
As expected:
From the MD State Police website today Dec. 10, 2008:
D-Technik Handguns
The following are the Handguns made by D-Technik that are legal in Maryland
Model Model Number Caliber
Skorpion VZ61 .32 ACP
Lastly, I ain't a lawyer!!
Okay, so I have been doing some research on this discrepancy lately between the Handgun Roster Board and the Assault Pistol List with the Skorpion semiautomatic pistol and this is what I have found.
According to: http://www.vpc.org/studies/awaconc.htm
There was a law in November 1988 that was voted on and passed by Marylanders by a referendum to create and establish the MD Handgun Roster Board.
According to: http://www.iandrinstitute.org/Maryland.htm
The NRA tried to block the original bill in the General Assembly by a petition and sent sent the bill to a referendum. The NRA spent $4 Million on a "Vote No" campaign that failed. Hence, the Handgun Roster Board was formed.
According to: http://www.ajph.org/cgi/reprint/87/2/297-a
A law consisting of the "Assault Pistol" ban was made in June of 1994. Here is the relevant text of the law that was formed:
http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/statelaws/26thedition/maryland.pdf
Subtitle 3. Assault Pistols and Detachable
Magazines
4-301. "Assault pistol" defined. In this subtitle,
"assault pistol" means any of the following
firearms or a copy regardless of the producer or
manufacturer:
(11) Skorpion semiautomatic pistol;
And now this:
http://www.dsd.state.md.us/MDRegister/3523/main_register.htm
DEPARTMENT OF STATE POLICE
HANDGUN ROSTER BOARD
Proposed Additions to Handgun Roster (on DEC. 7th 2008)
MANUFACTURER
MODEL NAME MODEL NUMBER CALIBER
Auto Ordnance Thompson 1927A-1 TA5 .45 ACP
Charter Arms/
CHARCO Pink Lady N/A .38 SP
Charter Arms/
CHARCO Patriot “73270, 73274” All Calibers
D-Technik Skorpion VZ61 .32 ACP
German Sport
Guns (GSG) GSG 5 Pistol GSG 5 P .22 LR
Glock 20 SF 10mm
Glock 29SF 10mm
Heckler & Koch P30L N/A 9mm
Kimber Team Match II .38 Super (Caliber Addition)
Smith & Wesson N/A 315 .38 S&W Special
Smith & Wesson N/A 396 .44 SP
Now a question can be formed from this information: Does the MD Handgun Roster have the ability to override a MD Law? I don't know but there is more to this interesting story than you may think.
Above we look at the banned Assault Pistol List and find a firearm listed in the code as "(11) Skorpion semiautomatic pistol." A question we have to ask ourselves is: What exactly is this firearm or which firearm did the legislature mean when they enacted this law? Most of you would say, "Well duh! The one we are talking about right?" Well, maybe not. Look here at another Skorpion semiautomatic pistol that is APPROVED for sale on the Maryland Handgun Roster!
http://www.mdsp.org/
Intratec Handguns
The following are the Handguns made by Intratec that are legal in Maryland
Model Model Number Caliber
Skorpion TEC-22 .22 LR
And here is yet another Skorpion pistol. (This pistol is not approved for sale in Maryland)
This pistol is in 9mm made by Armitage Intl. and the model is called Scarb Skorpion. To me this sounds more like the pistol MD wanted banned at the time. It's a 9mm caliber. The same as the UZI, TEC-9, and some of the MAC-10's. It is even made during the years right before the "Assault Pistol" ban and it even had the "evil" threaded barrel feature.
https://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/952872696.htm
Armitage Intl. model Scarb Skorpion. Total Production of 602. Manufactured in USA during 1989-1990. 9mm cal. paramilitary design. Patterned after the Czech model 61. It has a 4.63" threaded barrel (will take Cobray extensions), matte black finish, 2 Magazines (1-12 rnd & 1-32 rnd), magazine loader, all papers, and original oil sample. (serial # 005XX).
As we all know the MD law of '94 also mimicked the Federal Crime Bill signed by President Bill Clinton and what firearm do we find on the now defunct ban? That is right, the Scarab Skorpion Pistol under firearm number 141. http://www.gunsworld.com/law/laws_clinton_us.html
Do we find the Scorpion VZ-61 on this list? No. Most likely because it was still only a machine gun. From everything I have seen lately, it looks as though the Skorpion VZ-61 was only converted to a semi-auto only recently. Therefore there was no Skorpion VZ-61's to ban in 1994 when the "Assault Pistol" ban was enacted.
From this information, the VZ-61 only became a semi-auto option in 2005. This was way after the "Assault Pistol" ban was enacted.
http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-255627.html
Here is where the receivers are now: http://www.prexis.com/sten/53.htm
An even more interesting question is why the MD Legislature felt the need to ban a specific list of "Assault Pistols" in 1994 when there was ALREADY a Handgun Roster Board since 1988? The Board would have never approved those firearms anyway.
For my conclusion I think the legislature was banning the Scarab Skorpion Pistol when then mentioned the Skorpion semiautomatic pistol and not the Czech Skorpion VZ-61. The Scarab Skorpion was made during the era of the ban, it was a 9mm (a so called caliber choice of criminals), it had a threaded barrel, it is also listed on the now defunct Federal Crime Bill of '94, the same bill the Scorpion VZ-61 is not listed on, and the Skorpion VZ-61 was not a semi-automatic firearm in 1994 when the "Assault Pistol" ban was enacted. Another reason for my conclusion is that most of the other firearms are listed specifically such as Heckler and Koch semiautomatic SP-89 pistol, Ingram Mac-10, and the Intratec Tec-9. Don't you think if the legislature was speaking of the Czech Skorpion VZ-61 that they would have SPECIFICALLY listed it just like the others? Such as, Skorpion VZ-61 Semiautomatic pistol. I conclude the Skorpion VZ-61 is not the same firearm that is listed in the "Assault Pistol" ban as the (11) Skorpion semiautomatic pistol. The firearm that I believe that is listed under the "Assault Pistol" list is the Scarab Skorpion in 9mm made by Armitage Intl between 1989 and 1990.
As expected:
From the MD State Police website today Dec. 10, 2008:
D-Technik Handguns
The following are the Handguns made by D-Technik that are legal in Maryland
Model Model Number Caliber
Skorpion VZ61 .32 ACP
Lastly, I ain't a lawyer!!
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? Coinboy, you will be immortalized on the 11 o'clock news. 
If I read that right the legal gun is .22 cal. and the .32 Auto is verboten. I could be wrong, but it might have paid to check with a REAL lawyer ahead of time. ATF will probably have fun with Gun Rack, too. I HOPE I'M WRONG.
