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I'm just wondering when is MSP going to send out teams of inspectors armed with magnifying glasses and calipers to check everyone's rifle barrels to make sure they aren't the evil banned ones?
HBAR OR NOT HBAR.
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BigDaddy
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- Feb 7, 2014
- 2,235
They've just signed a contract with NACAR. They are going to local ranges to impound your AR's and SBR's, send them to North Carolina where they will be measured or disassembled to count 922R parts.
- Jan 31, 2009
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Never. And that's the point of this endless HBAR discussion. In MD, an HBAR is an HBAR when the manufacturer or selling dealer says it is. Usually best by a catalog entry, slick sheet, maybe stamped on the barrel.
As swinokar says, best to have this documented in writing some how. An obvious HBAR lacking this might not be an HBAR because the officers themselves are not gonna make that determination.
If you are doing a build on a striped receiver I would insist on a catalog sheet or similar that it is an HBAR.
I know it's weird but it's a gift so work with it.
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5.56blaster
Ultimate Member
Never. And then most of them would have no idea what they are looking at anyway.
SBRs are GTG AFIK
BigDaddy
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- Feb 7, 2014
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That's the subject of a lot of debate. This letter is widely circulated on the 'net
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That's about ''imported parts" not barrel contours as far as I see. The evil scared imported parts that can be switched out of AKs and such. I'm not seeing it. IANAL
BigDaddy
Ultimate Member
- Feb 7, 2014
- 2,235
I think we misunderstood each other. I was making a point that SBR's are subject to the imported parts count. Skinny barrels on SBR's are fine
md_al
Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadDawg View Post
Okay... I just got off of the phone with "Ron" at PSA... He assures me that the kit in question (PSA 16" MID-LENGTH 5.56 NATO 1/8 STAINLESS STEEL FREEDOM RIFLE KIT - 508077) IS an HBAR, 16 inch M4 profile stainless barrel.
This is an email that I sent last Monday:
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 9:50 PM
To: Info
Subject: PSA 16" Mid-length 5.56 NATO 1/8 Stainless Steel Freedom Rifle Kit - 508077
Is this model a HBAR profile barrel?
What kits do you have with HBAR for .223/.556? I intend to build a HBAR rifle using your kits.
Thanks in advance,
Al
Info <info@palmettostatearmory.com>
5:54 PM (4 hours ago)
to me
Hello,
That particular assembly is not a heavy barreled receiver. All of our heavy barrelled receivers will be advertised as "heavy" or "heavy profile" in the product description. If you have any additional questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us.
Thank you,
Fred
Customer Service
Palmetto State Armory
(803) 724-6950
Info@palmettostatearmory.com
Originally Posted by RoadDawg View Post
Okay... I just got off of the phone with "Ron" at PSA... He assures me that the kit in question (PSA 16" MID-LENGTH 5.56 NATO 1/8 STAINLESS STEEL FREEDOM RIFLE KIT - 508077) IS an HBAR, 16 inch M4 profile stainless barrel.
This is an email that I sent last Monday:
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 9:50 PM
To: Info
Subject: PSA 16" Mid-length 5.56 NATO 1/8 Stainless Steel Freedom Rifle Kit - 508077
Is this model a HBAR profile barrel?
What kits do you have with HBAR for .223/.556? I intend to build a HBAR rifle using your kits.
Thanks in advance,
Al
Info <info@palmettostatearmory.com>
5:54 PM (4 hours ago)
to me
Hello,
That particular assembly is not a heavy barreled receiver. All of our heavy barrelled receivers will be advertised as "heavy" or "heavy profile" in the product description. If you have any additional questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us.
Thank you,
Fred
Customer Service
Palmetto State Armory
(803) 724-6950
Info@palmettostatearmory.com
Muleskinner
Ultimate Member
Interesting. I bought an ARES SCR which is basically an AR upper on their proprietary lower. Just about any AR upper will fit and with the proper barrel/bolt combo it can be converted to just about any caliber on the AR platform....the barrel is not HBAR, but it doesn't have a launcher cut out, nor is it it threaded for a flash hider/suppressor. ARES claims it's legal in all 50 states...SO what's to prevent someone from simply taking the upper off and putting it on any AR lower? If the rifle is MD legal than that means the barrel is MD legal right?
- Feb 19, 2013
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If we get a good outcome on the Kolbe appeal, I wonder what the backlog will be on AR-15's the first couple months, and how much FFL transfer fees in MD will rocket to.
It's not AR-15s they'll have to worry about, it will be M1As that people didn't get before the ban.
Muleskinner
Ultimate Member
not many...but the sale of non HBAR uppers will probably go up...and slightly used HBAR uppers will be cheap...
Bad logic. The problem is "is the configuration legal?", not "are the parts legal"? There's really no such thing as a banned part in MD. I could own an SP-89 parts kit including the receiver, but I haven't violated any laws until I build it.
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I wanna go fast
Eh, be careful with that thought. That can be called constructive intent and can get you in trouble. The feds catch people on NFA violations that way.
Muleskinner
Ultimate Member
Thought crime....
Muleskinner
Ultimate Member
OK I get your point....but the barrel is neither heavy or standard...Does the law say it has to be HBAR or is that implied because standard barrels are banned? If the actual wording of the law says HBAR only then the config with the ARES upper would be "illegal" but if the wording doesn't mention HBAR specifically then the ARES upper wouldn't technically break the law....I'm asking because I don't know...
