Kalashnikov Concern (Izhmash) Sanctioned

mtel · Jul 16, 2014

Kalashnikov Concern was just included in the latest round of sanctions against Russia. If you had a Saiga in mind, you might want to pick it up asap.

ETA: Just saw that KC owns Molot too, so it seems like it'll roll up VEPRs also.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/OFAC-Enforcement/Pages/20140716.aspx

AssMan · Jul 16, 2014

mtel said:
Kalashnikov Concern was just included in the latest round of sanctions against Russia. If you had a Saiga in mind, you might want to pick it up asap.

Molot doesn't appear to be on there so VEPRs should be okay for now.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/OFAC-Enforcement/Pages/20140716.aspx

Knew this was coming. Guess I'll buy a VEPR now rather than wait for them to get added to the list.

mtel · Jul 16, 2014

Was pretty much thinking the same thing.

As far as Saigas go, as long as they’re already in a U.S. dealer’s possession and paid for, they can still be sold.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Sanctions/Pages/answer.aspx#374

After that, done for now.

embermage · Jul 17, 2014

Messed up thing is, the sanction won't do diddly to Russia, except take some nice weapons away from us....

QuebecoisWolf · Jul 17, 2014

embermage said:
Messed up thing is, the sanction won't do diddly to Russia, except take some nice weapons away from us....

They'll call that the "silver lining."

ken792 · Jul 17, 2014

So no more Mosins from Russia (the Molots) as well as anything else Molot proofs and packages like K98's.

OrbitalEllipses · Jul 17, 2014

So all those AK pistols on the Handgun Roster mean squat now, unless you were planning on getting an Arsenal.

Mr.B · Jul 17, 2014

well looks my investment in a sgl21 was worth it :thumbsup:

sleev-les · Jul 17, 2014

Aware me.. Saiga is Russian, but VEPR is Ukranian, right? I'm just spitballing, but hoping that VEPR is left alone, but I don't know as much as some of you guys do about the companies or where they come from. I really wanted a Saiga or VEPR 12, but I can't fork out money right now so crossing my fingers that the VEPR's are going to be okay since they are Ukranian.

fightinbluhen51 · Jul 17, 2014

OrbitalEllipses said:
So all those AK pistols on the Handgun Roster mean squat now, unless you were planning on getting an Arsenal.

Romanian Dracos?

erwos · Jul 17, 2014

sleev-les said:
Aware me.. Saiga is Russian, but VEPR is Ukranian, right? I'm just spitballing, but hoping that VEPR is left alone, but I don't know as much as some of you guys do about the companies or where they come from. I really wanted a Saiga or VEPR 12, but I can't fork out money right now so crossing my fingers that the VEPR's are going to be okay since they are Ukranian.

Molot is affected. No VEPRs.

Jimbob2.0 · Jul 17, 2014

I wouldnt worry to much about Mosins, plenty of other channels they can flow. Might pay $20 to $40 extra per head.

But that is bad news for Saiga's, Id buy parts while you can.

Shame we cant stock up in this particular communist state.

How does this affect ammo such as 7.62x39 and 7.62x54.

QuebecoisWolf · Jul 17, 2014

Jimbob2.0 said:
How does this affect ammo such as 7.62x39 and 7.62x54.

I'd expect a price bump, primarily as a result of speculation and panic buying, but we'll have to see how long this lasts.

sleev-les · Jul 17, 2014

erwos said:
Molot is affected. No VEPRs.

Great :/ .... I've run out of words for this administration...

AssMan · Jul 17, 2014

erwos said:
Molot is affected. No VEPRs.

Are you sure? I can't find a reference to "Vyatskie Polyany Machine-Building Plant" aka MOLOT anywhere. Or maybe I just missed it.

erwos · Jul 17, 2014

My understanding is that Izhmash bought them in 2006.

AssMan · Jul 17, 2014

Well, crap.

rob-cubed · Jul 17, 2014

MOLOT was forced out of business by Izhmash a few years ago in what was essentially a hostile takeover, but subsequently re-opened. As of early this year, the Kalashnikov Concern was formed as an umbrella company to manage both companies... so they would be affected by this sanction. The MOLOT guns we receive are indeed made in Russia, but there is a Ukrainian VEPR assault rifle. It's unclear to me if MOLOT can leave the Concern, or if they are owned by it.

This is going to really hurt the Russian arms industry, well over half of their profits come from US sales. MOLOT has a huge incentive to break ties with the Concern (if that's legally possible) and keep that revenue stream intact.

mtel · Jul 17, 2014

snallygaster said:
Are you sure? I can't find a reference to "Vyatskie Polyany Machine-Building Plant" aka MOLOT anywhere. Or maybe I just missed it.

Unfortunately Rostec (state-owned corp) is a majority owner of Kalashnikov Concern and Molot is a subsidiary of Kalashnikov Concern.

Holdings are towards the bottom:
http://rostec.ru/en/about/company/165

"THE COMPANY COMPRISES

• JSC ‘NPO ‘IZHMASH’, Udmurt Republic
• JSC ‘Izhevski mashzavod’, Udmurt Republic
• ‘Koshkin Automatic line design bureau’ JSC, Moscow Region
• ‘Klimov Special Ammunition Plant’, Moscow Region
• JSC ‘NITI Progress’, Udmurt Republic
• JSC ‘Molot’, Udmurt Republic
• JSC ‘Izhevsky Mekhanichesky Zavod’, Udmurt Republic"

Brooklyn · Jul 17, 2014

I assume this does not effect domestic manufacturing of 'copies'.

I know a few firms are doing cast receivers...

School me if otherwise...

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