- Feb 4, 2013
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They can only harass you, if you do not follow the new laws.
So by definition, if you are law abiding, new laws just means more things to abide by.
HB94 Prohibition on Manufacture of Detachable Magazine or 2 Firearm Receiver – 3–Dime
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They can only harass you, if you do not follow the new laws.
So by definition, if you are law abiding, new laws just means more things to abide by.
Benanov
PM Bomber
I'm not seeing the *point* of this law.
It's like those stupid "thing everyone does but on the internet" patents.
You can still print a 10-round mag. You can't manufacture a > 10 rd mag. 3D Printing is manufacture.
You can't make a banned firearm because it's after 2013/10/01.
What does this accomplish except for grandstanding?
It's like those stupid "thing everyone does but on the internet" patents.
You can still print a 10-round mag. You can't manufacture a > 10 rd mag. 3D Printing is manufacture.
You can't make a banned firearm because it's after 2013/10/01.
What does this accomplish except for grandstanding?
Mr H
Banana'd
The thing is, Arora is himself a gun owner, and is not necessarily a foe (though he votes with them far too often).
"If you make printing a firearm illegal, only criminals will print firearms."
A useless bill on its face, but I'll echo Norton's caveat--this needs further analysis with respect to other aspects of law.
I just got off the phone with one of Arora's staffers. Pleasant conversation, and he seemed receptive to what I was saying.
Arora is out of the country for a couple weeks. He is receptive to meeting with me and talking over the bill when he gets back.
I explained to the staffer that the bill:
1) Inexplicably singles out 3D printing technology. (The staffer didn't know what a CNC mill was, oddly enough.)
2) Prevents home hobbyists from experimenting and potentially building legitimate licensed manufacturing businesses from great ideas.
3) Will be completely ignored by criminals, and only impacts legal gun owners.
4) All of the guns and mags that he cares about being manufactured are already banned at either the state or federal level.
5) The bill is bluntly worded, and could have unintended consequences beyond what I discussed.
I urged him to either drop it, or just not push it.
In any event, let's wait a bit to go supernova on him; we may be able to talk him from the ledge.
Arora is out of the country for a couple weeks. He is receptive to meeting with me and talking over the bill when he gets back.
I explained to the staffer that the bill:
1) Inexplicably singles out 3D printing technology. (The staffer didn't know what a CNC mill was, oddly enough.)
2) Prevents home hobbyists from experimenting and potentially building legitimate licensed manufacturing businesses from great ideas.
3) Will be completely ignored by criminals, and only impacts legal gun owners.
4) All of the guns and mags that he cares about being manufactured are already banned at either the state or federal level.
5) The bill is bluntly worded, and could have unintended consequences beyond what I discussed.
I urged him to either drop it, or just not push it.
In any event, let's wait a bit to go supernova on him; we may be able to talk him from the ledge.
- Feb 17, 2011
- 14,024
All the repair kit questions evidently got thrown into this bill.
It has nothing to do with repair kits.
MigraineMan
Defenestration Specialist
Sounds like it does to me.
As a magazine is an assembly of parts, swapping the floorplate or replacing the spring constitutes a modification. (Were I on the opposing team, I would certainly interpret it this way.)
You were NEVER allowed to re-assemble repair kits in-state into new magazines. The law has no effect on that. As it is, simply re-assembling your own magazine would technically be manufacturing.
deesly1
Active Member
- Nov 16, 2011
- 412
Once again I am not reading more into the written word.
4-305
(A) IN THIS SECTION, “MANUFACTURE” INCLUDES ANY PROCESS BY
WHICH A PERSON USES ANY MATERIAL TO CREATE OR MODIFY A DETACHABLE
MAGAZINE OR FIREARM RECEIVER.
It says no where that this only applies to 3-d printed magazines only! The sections says ANY PROCESS BY WHICH A PERSON USES ANY MATERIAL TO CREATE OR MODIFY A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE OF FIREARM RECEIVER. If you add a Magpul plate or decide you want a better trigger, under this statue YOU CAN NOT MODIFY! So I am not reading into it. I am seeing how the powers that be can manipulate the written law!
Brooklyn
I stand with John Locke.
Once again I am not reading more into the written word.
4-305
(A) IN THIS SECTION, “MANUFACTURE” INCLUDES ANY PROCESS BY
WHICH A PERSON USES ANY MATERIAL TO CREATE OR MODIFY A DETACHABLE
MAGAZINE OR FIREARM RECEIVER.
It says no where that this only applies to 3-d printed magazines only! The sections says ANY PROCESS BY WHICH A PERSON USES ANY MATERIAL TO CREATE OR MODIFY A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE OF FIREARM RECEIVER. If you add a Magpul plate or decide you want a better trigger, under this statue YOU CAN NOT MODIFY! So I am not reading into it. I am seeing how the powers that be can manipulate the written law!
I am dropping this discussion. Carry on.
MigraineMan
Defenestration Specialist
I never mentioned anything about manufacturing a parts kit into a new mag (which as you pointed out was already prohibited.) The effect this bill has on parts kits is to make them non-viable products, as it would be illegal to take the parts and modify your existing mag with them. Actually, individual magazine repair parts would be illegal to swap into your existing mags. too. It would appear that the intended purpose is to let magazines wear out and fail, then prohibit repairs, thus rendering the associated firearms non-functional (because it would be illegal to repair your worn out magazines.)
deesly1, the words "in this section" are paramount, as is the indented structure of the proposed legislation. The definition of "manufacture" is restricted to this section (4-305.) That said, paragraph D prohibits the use of a 3-D printer to make or modify a receiver. Swapping the trigger or stoning the sear by hand are fine because neither is "the receiver." Hell, taking a bastard file to your receiver is fine too. Mod your receiver to your heart's content, as long as you don't use a 3-D printer to do so. Unfortunately, they didn't properly define what constitutes a 3-D printer, so that's left open to discussion. (Note: CNC machining is *not* 3-D printing, as machining operations are subtractive where printing operations are additive.)
It would be technically illegal to repair your worn-out magazines in the state. Which is, well, annoying, but with obvious workarounds.
Vile Shadow
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- Feb 28, 2013
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Robert1955
Ultimate Member
Manufacturing is making a new item, using parts to repair something is not manufacturing. If you put a new air filter on you car does that mean you just "Manufactured" a car?????? I don't think so. If I replace a worn out spring or a cracked baseplate I have not manufactured anything, I repaired something.
wesser1
Active Member
What do you mean? You can't complete 80% receivers anymore. That's already done away with since SB-281 came into law on 10/1.
- Feb 4, 2013
- 28,175
Heck, a strict interpretation would prevent you from PAINTING or rebluing mags or firearms.
Fox123
Ultimate Member
Yes you can, you just cannot make banned firearms with them. There are other firearms than AR-15's that people are making from 80% paperweights. (1911's, AR-10, 10/22, sig p series pistols, etc)
iH8DemLibz
When All Else Fails.
I fully agree with what you are saying with one caveat.
Those that mean to rule over us with an iron fist are not talking about cars and air filters.
In my ever so humble opinion, they are trying to dry up the supply of currently owned items by any and all means possible.
The term "Modification" is quite broad. Repairing something, anything, is considered modification because the item is no longer in its original configuration. If the State were to borrow language from the Federal ATF guidelines, in regards to gunsmithing, modifications, and manufacturing, we could be in some serious trouble.
One of my concerns from way back is that they will start making the mere possession of certain "Repair" parts a crime.
We need to fight back hard on this one. This is, of course, just my .025
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