HPRB July 21, 2015 (?) Meeting Thread

Straightshooter · Aug 2, 2015

There were so many evil black rifles laying around that this was the only small area that Dogbone could find where there wouldn't be one in the photo.

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DC-W · Aug 2, 2015

Straightshooter said:
There were so many evil black rifles laying around that this was the only small area that Dogbone could find where there wouldn't be one in the photo.

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It must have been terrifying.

Straightshooter · Aug 2, 2015

Had a little face time with an old friend too.

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Straightshooter · Aug 2, 2015

I did find out that the 4th new HPRB member has been chosen and that we would be happy with this choice. Anyone here get a call from the Governor for anything other than a pardon?

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Mark75H · Aug 2, 2015

Straightshooter said:
I did find out that the 4th new HPRB member has been chosen and that we would be happy with this choice. Anyone here get a call from the Governor for anything other than a pardon?

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How happy?

Straightshooter · Aug 2, 2015

Equally happy as with the first three. This will make 4 to 1 majority. Hopefully the chairman will say "uncle" and resign.

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Schipperke · Aug 2, 2015

So what's the plan? Legislate from the bench?

mxrider · Aug 2, 2015

Schipperke said:
So what's the plan? Legislate from the bench?

Maybe, and this is complete speculation on my part, it's not Legislate from the bench, but apply the correct law which invalidates Snowden and Scherr and update it with Woolard, Heller, etc.

The Palpable Need test is where this is heading, me thinks.

Schipperke · Aug 2, 2015

mxrider said:
Maybe, and this is complete speculation on my part, it's not Legislate from the bench, but apply the correct law which invalidates Snowden and Scherr and update it with Woolard, Heller, etc.

The Palpable Need test is where this is heading, me thinks.

I do not understand how "palpable" helps anything. What the applicant submits as palpable is certainly arguable. Not much different than the apprehended danger beyond other in a community they use now. Please explain how people can use "palpable need test" to get a permit.

PJDiesel · Aug 2, 2015

Palapable=Good / Good & Substantial

mxrider · Aug 2, 2015

Schipperke said:
I do not understand how "palpable" helps anything. What the applicant submits as palpable is certainly arguable. Not much different than the apprehended danger beyond other in a community they use now. Please explain how people can use "palpable need test" to get a permit.

As explained by attorney's on here, Palpable Need is an easier burden to show than the "apprehended danger beyond other in a community". Under the current form, you have to have documented threats against you. In a palpable need situation, you may not have to show those and just the fact that we live in a state where crime is higher than others SHOULD meet this burden. Again, this is sheer speculation on my part and as people's hearings are done, we will have a better understanding in time.

mxrider · Aug 2, 2015

PJDiesel said:
Palapable=Good / Good & Substantial

Actually, according to the 4th Circuit Opinion in Woolard, Palpable = Good & Substantial

montoya32 · Aug 2, 2015

mxrider said:
As explained by attorney's on here, Palpable Need is an easier burden to show than the "apprehended danger beyond other in a community". Under the current form, you have to have documented threats against you. In a palpable need situation, you may not have to show those and just the fact that we live in a state where crime is higher than others SHOULD meet this burden. Again, this is sheer speculation on my part and as people's hearings are done, we will have a better understanding in time.

mxrider said:
Actually, according to the 4th Circuit Opinion in Woolard, Palpable = Good & Substantial

I completely agree, but the MSP still has the 5 categories that are "good" to apply for a permit. There are only 5 ways to receive a permit according to the MSP.

1. Owner/Employee of a busines

2. Correctional Officer

3. Active, Former, and Retired Maryland Law Enforcement Officers

4. Private Detective/Security Guard/Special Police/Armored Car Guards(isn't this the same as #1)

5. Personal Protection (There must be documented evidence of recent threats, robberies, and/or assaults, supported by official police reports or notarized statements from witnesses.)

I would be interested to see how many people have a permit under G&S #5 that used notarized witness statements. Can I sign a notarized statement citing a danger to anyone here? It would seem so. Can we have a notary present for anyone interested in applying and we can sign each others' letters to use to get permit? I know I've witnessed people act in a menacing way to others. :innocent0

BeoBill · Aug 2, 2015

OK, I'm just going to wait and see what develops.
:popcorn:

Also note that this is the first time I haven't used the word "mutate" to describe the ongoing process. I'm holding the word "metastasize" in reserve in case Mikex2 decide to involve themselves somehow.

Schipperke · Aug 2, 2015

Palpable;
Easily perceptible, plain, obvious, readily visible, noticeable, patent, distinct, manifest.

Yep, I don't see any subjectivity there. :sarcasm:

Mr. Doe, the board finds no easily perceptible, plain, obvious, readily visible, noticeable, patent, distinct or manifest need you have to carry a firearm.

Brooklyn · Aug 2, 2015

Straightshooter said:
I am still of the mind that thinks we shot ourselves in the foot when it comes to CCW with Hogan. If there is still anyone who believes that the WAPO article where three of our people spilled their guts to a reporter didn't have any effect on Hogan's outlook toward us, then those people are certifiably nuts.

If I were Hogan, I would have given a big "WTF is wrong with these people?" After that, I would have taken a "They're on their own" stance.

The first seven is shaping up to prove me right.

No order to the Super

Head of MSI asks for a meeting and no response that we've heard of

Super seems happy with the status quo

And yet here we are.. on a public forum.. attempting to force the Governors hand...and on our time table at that.

Straightshooter · Aug 2, 2015

Even yellow jackets will circle the hive after the queen is dead.

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Blacksmith101 · Aug 2, 2015

Legal definition of Palpable:

Palpable
Easily perceptible, plain, obvious, readily visible, noticeable, patent, distinct, manifest.

The term palpable usually refers to some type of egregious wrong, such as a governmental error or abuse of power.
West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.

Palpable
adjective able to be felt, able to be handled, able to be touched, apparent, bold, certain, clear, clear-cut, conspicuous, crystal clear, definite, detectable, discernible, disclosed, discoverable, distinct, easily perceived, easily seen, evidens, evident, exhibited, explicit, glaring, in evidence, indisputable, indubitable, lucid, manifest, manifestus, marked, notable, noticeable, observable, overt, patent, perceivable, perceptible, perspicuous, plain, prominent, pronounced, readily perceived, readily seen, recognizable, revealed, salient, seeable, self-evident, stark, striking, tactile, tangible, touchable, tractabilis, uncontestable, uncovered, uncurtained, undoubtable, unequivocal, unhidden, unmasked, unmistakable, unobscured, unquestionable, unshrouded, unveiled, visible. See also: actual, apparent, appreciable, arrant, bodily, clear, coherent, comprehensible, concrete, corporal, corporeal, definite, distinct, evident, lucid, manifest, material, obvious, overt, pellucid, perceivable, perceptible, physical, ponderable, sensible, substantive, tangible, unmistakable
Burton's Legal Thesaurus, 4E. Copyright © 2007 by William C. Burton. Used with permission of The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.

We all certainly qualify according to this:

....such as a governmental error or abuse of power.

AntiGun · Aug 2, 2015

Straightshooter said:
Even yellow jackets will circle the hive after the queen is dead.

ouch

Schipperke · Aug 2, 2015

Brooklyn said:
And yet here we are.. on a public forum.. attempting to force the Governors hand...and on our time table at that.

Delusion of Grandeur much? :lol2:

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