Hearing on SB281 on July 22, 2014

woodstock · Jul 16, 2014

NOT the city! I will never set foot in that open zoo ever again. Some corrupt cops and a majority of folks who think street violence is normal behavior.

teratos · Jul 16, 2014

Brooklyn said:
One issue is its just a hearing. Another as I noted is that we expect a loss this round... so why draw more attention.. on the other hand if we win... it will get lots of attention no matter what we do.

And if folks spend their time off this way they may not be able to make it when we really do need to make some noise.

That's how I see it anyway...

Timeing is key..

We may lose. We have a very good case and a Judge who served with and respects Judge Legg. The best case scenario is that we go to trial. :evilgrin3

dblas · Jul 16, 2014

Boxcab said:
Just throwing out a line of thinking before my second cup of coffee...

How would 500 to 1000 protesters outside the court house be perceived? Something like the rally in Annapolis during the hearings for 281. The protestors would have (should have) no effect on the hearings themselves, but I bet the Newsies would report it! What are the chances the case gets any air time otherwise? How does our strength in numbers appear with no turn out what so ever? Can the Anti's point to our Annapolis rallies as just a fluke? If we want to be heard we need to show up at each and every review of this bad law in numbers. We need to be the squeaky wheel if we want anyone to listen.

Now, I am off to the coffee maker.

This is whole different ball game compared to showing up in Annapolis.

First - The US Marshall's DO NOT have a sense of humor anywhere around the federal district court building.

Second - 500 to 1000 are fine so long as they are all well mannered, somewhat well dressed, and do not start any crap with anyone, no matter how they feel.

Third - Anyone that wants to "protest" outside and exercise their First Amendment right need to consider one thing and one thing only. In doing so, YOU are now the face of the firearms community to anyone and everyone who happens to come by, or have business in or around the federal building.

Fourth - What does #3 mean? It means it will only take one idiot to screw over any and all work we have done. And if that person wants to be responsible for the hundred's of thousands of dollars that will be thrown at this lawsuit, then by all means, be an idiot, just tell us where to tell the lawyers to send the bill.

Yes, there will be media coverage, there was huge media coverage for the TRO back in September/October, TV, Print, Social Media, the works.

Yes, the entire media will be looking for any soundbite to use, probably mores against us, than for us. So, if you feel the need to talk to the media, please do not be an idiot and remember, in doing so, YOU are now the face of the firearms community in MD.

Yes, there may be groups protesting in supporting the law and opposing the lawsuit. If there are, remember that they have as much a right to exercise their 1st Amendment right as we do. Do not engage them in a yelling match, do not engage them in debate, and do not take any baiting they may toss out there.

With the above stated, yes, we need to have numbers at every chance we get, and yes, we need to continue to be the squeaky wheel. But again, THIS IS NOT ANNAPOLIS, and anything that happens will be addressed at the Federal Level with regards to citations, rules and laws, not the state level, so all we ask is, if you decide to show up and support this, please plan to do so at a higher level than you would in Annapolis.

fabsroman · Jul 16, 2014

dblas said:
This is whole different ball game compared to showing up in Annapolis.

First - The US Marshall's DO NOT have a sense of humor anywhere around the federal district court building.

Second - 500 to 1000 are fine so long as they are all well mannered, somewhat well dressed, and do not start any crap with anyone, no matter how they feel.

Third - Anyone that wants to "protest" outside and exercise their First Amendment right need to consider one thing and one thing only. In doing so, YOU are now the face of the firearms community to anyone and everyone who happens to come by, or have business in or around the federal building.

Fourth - What does #3 mean? It means it will only take one idiot to screw over any and all work we have done. And if that person wants to be responsible for the hundred's of thousands of dollars that will be thrown at this lawsuit, then by all means, be an idiot, just tell us where to tell the lawyers to send the bill.

Yes, there will be media coverage, there was huge media coverage for the TRO back in September/October, TV, Print, Social Media, the works.

Yes, the entire media will be looking for any soundbite to use, probably mores against us, than for us. So, if you feel the need to talk to the media, please do not be an idiot and remember, in doing so, YOU are now the face of the firearms community in MD.

Yes, there may be groups protesting in supporting the law and opposing the lawsuit. If there are, remember that they have as much a right to exercise their 1st Amendment right as we do. Do not engage them in a yelling match, do not engage them in debate, and do not take any baiting they may toss out there.

With the above stated, yes, we need to have numbers at every chance we get, and yes, we need to continue to be the squeaky wheel. But again, THIS IS NOT ANNAPOLIS, and anything that happens will be addressed at the Federal Level with regards to citations, rules and laws, not the state level, so all we ask is, if you decide to show up and support this, please plan to do so at a higher level than you would in Annapolis.

Nobody ever wants to be an idiot, plans to be an idiot, or even knows they are an idiot until the majority tells them afterward.

One of my mantras, "If you have to think twice about something, don't do it or say it."

dblas · Jul 16, 2014

fabsroman said:
Nobody ever wants to be an idiot, plans to be an idiot, or even knows they are an idiot until the majority tells them afterward.

One of my mantras, "If you have to think twice about something, don't do it or say it."

THIS

mxrider · Jul 17, 2014

Brooklyn said:
. Another as I noted is that we expect a loss this round.

Are we really? I don't view it that way at all.

Brooklyn · Jul 17, 2014

mxrider said:
Are we really? I don't view it that way at all.

Well, In general terms we should win every round, so 'expect' is to strong a word.

I always expect to win, but if we don't better to lose at this round than to win here and lose later. - don't read to much into my comment -- maybe ' fear we might' lose is better.

If I could spare the time I would go just for the chance t be there, but I burend to much time off already.

teratos · Jul 17, 2014

Don't be shocked if the Bloomturds show up. No doubt they'd like to see us act like fools.

RepublicanJD · Jul 17, 2014

Not_an_outlaw said:
Anyone know if cell phones are allowed?

Cell phones are allowed. I bring mine in every time I go. Almost all of the court rooms are small.

Someone else asked who is on the right or the left...the answer is that it depends on the room. Depends where the witness/jury boxes are for which side the plaintiff/defendants sit on. It's different in every room.

I'm interested to see how this goes. Good luck to the attorneys representing the good guys.

Minuteman · Jul 21, 2014

Can't wait to hear how it goes tomorrow. Good luck to us all. Please post a transcript here when it's published. Thx!

montoya32 · Jul 21, 2014

clandestine said:
Yeah, I can certainly see THAT judge ruling in our favor.

Woman, from MA, Radcliffe and Harvard, appointed by Clinton. Unless her last name was Obama, I couldn't think of a person with more left-wing influences.

mopar92 · Jul 21, 2014

Debating taking the day off work. Tryin to raise SNI in case I need bail money.

Matlack · Jul 21, 2014

When will anyone learn that packing a room full of people has no effect on decision making. Last year should have made that point extremely clear.

Mr H · Jul 22, 2014

I don't think "decision making" is the point. It's media impression and a show of solidarity, as much as anything else.

IMO, if we allow these things to occur in a vacuum, then we appear disinterested in our own cause.

Not_an_outlaw · Jul 22, 2014

I'm going.

Topher · Jul 22, 2014

Good Luck and thank you to everyone involved.

dblas · Jul 22, 2014

montoya32 said:
Woman, from MA, Radcliffe and Harvard, appointed by Clinton. Unless her last name was Obama, I couldn't think of a person with more left-wing influences.

She worked with and respects Judge Legg, so be careful how you spin that crystal ball.

tsmith1499 · Jul 22, 2014

To anyone that might be outside the building being the "face" of gun owners as was said by dblas. PLEASE DON'T BLOW THE COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLAR'S Of MONEY I, and MANY OTHERS HAVE DONATED. I could have bought another firearm or more ammo with that money but didn't because this is more important!!!

Dmacri25 · Jul 22, 2014

Best of luck to all those fighting for our rights today. Give em hell.

shootin the breeze · Jul 22, 2014

Thank you to everyone attending today.

Hearing on SB281 on July 22, 2014

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