Alexandria CLEO

Semper Noctem · Dec 12, 2013

Anyone here have experience with CLEO sign off in Alexandria, VA? I want to buy my first suppressor in January and I've heard the CLEO won't sign off, so I have to go the trust route.

Can anyone confirm this? Also, any of you VA guys have a lead on a good lawyer to set up my trust - if necessary?

Thanks!

rouchna · Dec 12, 2013

Sterling Arsenal has attorneys that a lot of people around here use for trusts. As for the Alexandria CLEO, I'm not surprised. I know Fairfax (might change with the new sheriff) does it.

Here is the link to the attorneys:

http://www.arsenalattorneys.com/arsenal-gun-trust-services

swinokur · Dec 12, 2013

Check with Dan Hawes at VA Legal defense. Don't know if he does trusts. He'll know somebody.

http://www.virginialegaldefense.com/

KH195 · Dec 12, 2013

When I got my first suppressor (lived in Arlington at the time) the dealer I went through said Alexandria CLEO didn't sign...that was about two years ago but I don't think it's changed. I have several friends that have used Arsenal Attorneys and they have been very pleased.

Elliotte · Dec 16, 2013

rouchna said:
Sterling Arsenal has attorneys that a lot of people around here use for trusts. As for the Alexandria CLEO, I'm not surprised. I know Fairfax (might change with the new sheriff) does it.

Here is the link to the attorneys:

http://www.arsenalattorneys.com/arsenal-gun-trust-services

Wouldn't the Fairfax CLEO be the County Police Chief, not the Sheriff?

Drew1340 · Dec 16, 2013

if you are legally allowed to possess nfa items and pass all background checks how is it that cleo can not sign off if it is legal and acceptable by law to own? I have a trust and always went that route but with pending changes to nfa transfers and being in md this could be concerning. so how is it that cleo can just say no and your sol?

IMBLITZVT · Dec 16, 2013

Drew1340 said:
if you are legally allowed to possess nfa items and pass all background checks how is it that cleo can not sign off if it is legal and acceptable by law to own? I have a trust and always went that route but with pending changes to nfa transfers and being in md this could be concerning. so how is it that cleo can just say no and your sol?

I most states the CLEOs are not required to sign off... So it becomes a question if they will.

I MD, its a shall issue law. So they will sign off unless there is a reason not to.

IMBLITZVT · Dec 16, 2013

Elliotte said:
Wouldn't the Fairfax CLEO be the County Police Chief, not the Sheriff?

Q: What law enforcement officials’ certifications on an application to transfer or make an NFA weapon are acceptable to ATF?
As provided by regulations, certifications by the local chief of police, sheriff of the county, head of the State police, or State or local district attorney or prosecutor are acceptable. The regulations also provide that certifications of other officials are appropriate if found in a particular case to be acceptable to the Director. Examples of other officials who have been accepted in specific situations include State attorneys general and judges of State courts having authority to conduct jury trials in felony cases.
[27 CFR 479.63 and 479.85]

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-firearms.html#necessary-le-certifications

swinokur · Dec 16, 2013

Elliotte said:
Wouldn't the Fairfax CLEO be the County Police Chief, not the Sheriff?

Perhaps not if the person is in the city of Alexandria. That's not Fairfax County.

Semper Noctem · Dec 17, 2013

So, my question remains: Anyone get a local sign off in Alexandria, and if so by whom?

Elliotte · Dec 17, 2013

swinokur said:
Perhaps not if the person is in the city of Alexandria. That's not Fairfax County.

Eh still learning what's in which area there. But the part I had quoted had mentioned the Fairfax County Sheriff changing in the most recent election.

Semper Noctem said:
So, my question remains: Anyone get a local sign off in Alexandria, and if so by whom?

Based on IMBLITZVT's quote above, "the local chief of police, sheriff of the county, head of the State police, or State or local district attorney or prosecutor are acceptable"

It looks like there's a couple of other options, including county sheriff, head of the VA State Police, or a local DA. Of those the head of the VA State Police (until the new gov comes in) might be your best option.

swinokur · Dec 17, 2013

Local police chief wouild be the chief of the City of Alexandria PD.There is a portion of unincorporated Alexandria that is in Fairfax County but that's not within the Alexandria city limits.

I worked in Old Town for 15 years.

Semper Noctem · Dec 17, 2013

I'm just going to go the trust route.

Now I just need to find a good lawyer to set it up.

swinokur · Dec 17, 2013

PM or call Rusty Shackleford here., He is an IP.

IMBLITZVT · Dec 17, 2013

Semper Noctem said:
I'm just going to go the trust route.

Now I just need to find a good lawyer to set it up.

Just make sure you know how they are about to change... its keeping me from getting one.

swinokur said:
PM or call Rusty Shackleford here., He is an IP.

I thought he only did MD stuff... not going to be good in VA???

swinokur · Dec 17, 2013

oops my bad. sorry.

Contact Dan Hawes at VA legal defense. I'm sure he can point you in the right direction.

www.virginialegaldefense.com
http://www.valegaldefense.com

Semper Noctem · Dec 17, 2013

IMBLITZVT said:
Just make sure you know how they are about to change... its keeping me from getting one.
I thought he only did MD stuff... not going to be good in VA???

swinokur said:
oops my bad. sorry.

Contact Dan Hawes at VA legal defense. I'm sure he can point you in the right direction.

www.virginialegaldefense.com
http://www.valegaldefense.com

Thanks for the info guys. Looks like I'll be able to get at least one stamp before the rules change.

bobthefisher · Dec 18, 2013

Semper Noctem said:
Thanks for the info guys. Looks like I'll be able to get at least one stamp before the rules change.

Yeah, I think we're all moving up our "want" list. I'm starting to lose track of all the paperwork in the system... yeesh.

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