OP- what powder are you using? I like shotgun powders for cast lead shooting. Titegroup is fine but burns hot and smokes a lot.
What I use to make minor in a G34 with KKM Barrel:
SNS 125gr coated LRN (no groove) at 1.150
Red Dot: 3.4
WST: 3.8
SNS 124gr LRN (lube groove) 1.150
Red Dot: 3.4
SNS 147gr LFP (lube groove) at 1.143
WST: 3.0
I am about to give E3 a try. WST likes to speed up a lot when cold.
All loads work best with a lighter recoil spring.
I used xtreme plated for a while, but gained nothing (and lost accuracy) but less smoke for the extra cost. They were accurate enough for action games though.
In my CZ85 Combat I'm running Precision Delta's 147FMJ over3.8gr of 321 at 1.150 OAL. It came from a mdshooter who did IDPA, but who longer posts.
ETA: Correction 231, as in Winchester 231. The member I mentioned was Fustercluck
Iv'e done extensive accuracy and speed testing with 124's, and shot thousands of them in competition for years, mostly out of M&P's and CZ-75's. After trying out some 147's, and immediately recognizing that felt recoil was far less, I went ahead and did some accuracy and speed testing. Albeit, not as thoroughly as previous with the 124's. What I found was that the accuracy was relatively the same as my best 124gr loads, and overall speed was similar, but I was on sights slightly faster with the 147's resulting in greater accuracy at speed. 147's also have the benefit of taking down steel more consistently than 124's.
Yes, I agree with all of the above. Adding on to your last sentence, I have found that casual shooters and even some competition shooters just don't notice a difference in loads from 124 to 147 when I let them try them. Where I notice "major" differences, they just don't have the experience yet to notice.
So how many rounds can I get out of an 8 lb jug of Titegroup? A local guy is selling them for $175. I may have to pick up a jug and some more Unique if I can get the money up for them. He's a local guy, as in Prince William County local. Another guy has S&B primers, $25 per thousand.
It depends on the needs of the load.
If you want to knock down steel, meeting the minimum power factor is not going to knock them down with a marginal hit. In USPSA, if they actually calibrate the poppers (we used to do so), it take a hit on the upper tongue section to knock it down with a 125 PF. A hit on the center circle section should NOT knock over the popper with a 125 PF, but should for a major load.
USPSA calibration ammo must be between 115 and 125 power factor and a properly calibrated popper will fall with a hit in the calibration zone which is the center circle.
True.. But also easy to see if ya double charge. (I visually check them). The powder will be close to the top of case if 2x charged.Just be careful with the Titegroup. Easy to double charge that since you use so little.
Its all about weight and speed. Comp typically lower vel than standard store bought ammo.Never really though of a pistol round as a competition round.
You need good (consistent) ammo and practice.
My favorite is Berrys 124gr. HBFP covering AA#5.