Fluting HBAR barrel?

bdiddle · May 23, 2014

So....in the interest of trying as hard as possible to not be a heavy pig, has the MSP said what can happen to HBARS that are purchased in state?

Fluting the barrel should not change the fact it has a heavy profile barrel (though lighter now).

BCM KMR and a few other changes should drop the weight and keep it still an HBAR......right?

newq · May 23, 2014

I would tend to think you are correct however I am not sure how the state would view this unless the barrel was fluted at the factory.

Skins_Brew · May 23, 2014

Dude, an HBAR does not really add that much weight. Maybe it's time to hit the gym if those few ounces are making a huge difference.

bdiddle · May 23, 2014

Skins_Brew said:
Dude, an HBAR does not really add that much weight. Maybe it's time to hit the gym if those few ounces are making a huge difference.

I'm curious what you think the HSLD guys use?

The new M4A1 profile is certainly not light, but HBARs are heavy pigs.

Actually....I can't remember when the last time I held a rifle and said, "DAMN, THIS KILLING MACHINE IS TOOOO LIGHT AND EASY TO POINT, BETTER MAKE IT A HEAVY PIG!!"

K.C.Dean · May 23, 2014

I have built to uppers so far. The first was a light barrel and the second was an Hbar. The Hbar is noticeably heaver. I purchased a Bushmaster 25th anniversary Hbar and the barrel was fluted. If I decide to build another Hbar I will buy a fluted barrel. I think as long as it has Hbar stamped on the barrel you should be GTG.

stu929 · May 23, 2014

My white oak heavy barrel is almost 10lb for the upper.

No bitching but that's a pretty heavy rifle when my M1 is both lighter and feels more balanced than the AR :-)

Tactics · May 23, 2014

Interesting. Subscribed.

bdiddle · May 23, 2014

K.C.Dean said:
I have built to uppers so far. The first was a light barrel and the second was an Hbar. The Hbar is noticeably heaver. I purchased a Bushmaster 25th anniversary Hbar and the barrel was fluted. If I decide to build another Hbar I will buy a fluted barrel. I think as long as it has Hbar stamped on the barrel you should be GTG.

Was the 25th Shrubby cash and carry in MD? With the fluted barrel?

erwos · May 23, 2014

I don't see why fluting the barrel would be an issue, either. The profile is still heavy.

newq · May 23, 2014

the whole ****in law is stupid. I don't know why some may be inclined to think their interpretation of this modification would be any different. The weight is there to punish you. You must carry the burden for thinking you were free.

bdiddle · May 23, 2014

newq said:
the whole ****in law is stupid. I don't know why some may be inclined to think their interpretation of this modification would be any different. The weight is there to punish you. You must carry the burden for thinking you were free.

I completely understand the law is tarded. I am thinking about friends who failed to plan for Oct 1, 2013. I did not fail to plan.

K.C.Dean · May 23, 2014

bdiddle said:
Was the 25th Shrubby cash and carry in MD? With the fluted barrel?

Yes. I bought it and a Beretta 92fs at the same time. He ordered both for me. I walked out of his place with both the same day. The AWB was still in affect.

iH8DemLibz · May 23, 2014

Skins_Brew said:
Dude, an HBAR does not really add that much weight. Maybe it's time to hit the gym if those few ounces are making a huge difference.

^^^^^^^^^^^^YUP^^^^^^^^^^^^

It is utterly ridiculous to worry about 3 ounces of additional weight when talking about a 16 inch barrel with carbine length hand guards.

Weight only becomes a problem when a 20 inch service barrel has rifle length hand guards and is .980 diameter from the receiver to the front sight/gas block.

And if you're building a 20 inch bench gun then weight is your friend.

newq · May 23, 2014

iH8DemLibz said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^YUP^^^^^^^^^^^^

It is utterly ridiculous to worry about 3 ounces of additional weight when talking about a 16 inch barrel with carbine length hand guards.

Weight only becomes a problem when a 20 inch service barrel has rifle length hand guards and is .980 diameter from the receiver to the front sight/gas block.

And if you're building a 20 inch bench gun then weight is your friend.

Reminds me of the first AR ever built, 20" stainless DCM Comp barrel, full length handguards with a bipod and 4x12 40mm scope. M16 FA bolt for heavier weight. Flat top upper with detachable carry handle and detachable scope mount.

1.5" groups at 300 yards all day.

That gun was so flipping heavy that on the bench it never moved when fired. But it was awfully heavy to attempt to fire from a standing position. After 20 seconds of holding on a target you were looking to lower the rifle.

Bolts Rock · May 23, 2014

Some guys seriously need to eat their Wheaties and put on their big boy pants!

Skins_Brew said:
Dude, an HBAR does not really add that much weight. Maybe it's time to hit the gym if those few ounces are making a huge difference.

Ayup said the OFWG!

bdiddle said:
I'm curious what you think the HSLD guys use?

The new M4A1 profile is certainly not light, but HBARs are heavy pigs.

Actually....I can't remember when the last time I held a rifle and said, "DAMN, THIS KILLING MACHINE IS TOOOO LIGHT AND EASY TO POINT, BETTER MAKE IT A HEAVY PIG!!"

I'd bet better than 98% of the registered users on this site don't qualify as or even come close to High Speed Low Drag.

Standard H-Bars are not that heavy.

Really? Killing machine? Are you 12?

stu929 said:
My white oak heavy barrel is almost 10lb for the upper.

No bitching but that's a pretty heavy rifle when my M1 is both lighter and feels more balanced than the AR :-)

For balance get the lead wedge for the butt if you're using it for matches. You may need to judiciously drill a little out to get the balance exactly where you want it as the wedge tends to put the balance in the fore part of the magwell.

iH8DemLibz said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^YUP^^^^^^^^^^^^

It is utterly ridiculous to worry about 3 ounces of additional weight when talking about a 16 inch barrel with carbine length hand guards.

Weight only becomes a problem when a 20 inch service barrel has rifle length hand guards and is .980 diameter from the receiver to the front sight/gas block.

And if you're building a 20 inch bench gun then weight is your friend.

Yep!

newq said:
Reminds me of the first AR ever built, 20" stainless DCM Comp barrel, full length handguards with a bipod and 4x12 40mm scope. M16 FA bolt for heavier weight. Flat top upper with detachable carry handle and detachable scope mount.

1.5" groups at 300 yards all day.

That gun was so flipping heavy that on the bench it never moved when fired. But it was awfully heavy to attempt to fire from a standing position. After 20 seconds of holding on a target you were looking to lower the rifle.

Meh, typical for High Power and you're on the line for 22 minutes minimum. You can rest the butt on your stool between shots though.

Top rifle Bushmaster NM, light weight at 10-1/2 pounds.

OK ladies, eat your Wheaties, put on your big boy pants, man up and realize the lower rifle is a heavy rifle at 17-1/2 pounds. No it is NOT a standard H-Bar even if it looks like one. White Oak Precision upper with Satern ultra-heavy match barrel and the aforementioned chunk of lead in the butt.

precisionfire · May 23, 2014

To answer the Original Question, some of the BUSHMASTER AR Hbars came from factory with Fluted barrels. By Letter from MD State Police the Bushmaster Hbars were A Ok. So it stands to reason that fluting does not violate the Hbar Rule.

Bolts Rock · May 23, 2014

And yes, I do shoot that beast offhand.

bdiddle · May 23, 2014

Bolts Rock said:
And yes, I do shoot that beast offhand.

SO do you go to carbine courses wearing that getup?

Or is it possible I use mine for different things compared to you?

:innocent0

bdiddle · May 23, 2014

iH8DemLibz said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^YUP^^^^^^^^^^^^

It is utterly ridiculous to worry about 3 ounces of additional weight when talking about a 16 inch barrel with carbine length hand guards.

Ounces become pounds........

I really don't know why this discussion went this direction. I do not use my AR15's for NM competitions.

I like to do low light shooting. Carbine classes. Shooting on the move. ie, non-fudd stuff.

Adding a light and optic adds weight, with the light usually being towards the end of the barrel. A lighter barrel typically offsets that.

A lighter rifle will always point faster than a heavy rifle. If someone can tell me how "eating my weaties" and going to the gym will make the laws of physics no longer matter, then please explain.

newq · May 24, 2014

Because then there would be no reason to pull out their e-peen and try to measure it up to others who are obviously far less manly than themselves because they enjoy carrying heavy things to show the rest of the ladies exactely how strong grok is.

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