Oldcarjunkie
R.I.P
I would be very worried IF you hadn't found out that there is indeed a agent conducting a investigation , now that you know that I would bring it down a notch. My guess is the owner of the range has some explaining to do.
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I'd have shut the door in the mans face mumbling something about a warrant.
Something all y'all paranoid folks seem to have missed is that the Detective had the OP's signed rental agreement from the range. They don't just hand those things out or throw them in the dumpster out back; he wouldn't have those if he was an imposter. No way a fake agent fools a range owner into forking over records like that.
As for the "why would the ATF be involved" question someone asked, the range most likely has an FFL. An FFL losing a firearm is a federal issue. It's not the same as someone stealing one from a citizen.
The fact that he left no contact info means either he was satisfied that the OP was not involved or it was just sloppy police work on his part.
So you think it's possible the range can loose an AR, but they can't loose a sheet of paper with someones contact info on it?
Honestly, that video is just as bad as those stop snitching things.
If you want crimes solved, you have to talk to the police sometimes.
It's like telling a firefighter you want a fire put out, but he can't use the water in your pool to do it.
The video is self explanitory and has nothing to do with "snitching" and everything to do with self preservation in a system that is increasingly interested less in justice and more in flow-through.
If I saw or knew something I thought would help solve a crime I'd report it on my own using my phone. Unexpected solicitation by law enforcement on the other hand is barking up the wrong tree. If you're a cop that finds my attitude unreasonable then you're part of the problem.
Yes. The AR sits on a rack in front of the general public. Customers get to take possession of it. If the person who rented it also had other guns, they could have placed it on a bench while they were shooting something else and another customer could have slipped into their own bag/case and walked out before anyone noticed.
Paperwork stays behind the counter and is kept secure. FFLs who don't keep good records don't stay FFLs for very long.
With all due respect, law enforcement in movies is much different than in real life. Many LEO's (myself included) do not leave business cards due to impersonation. The TFO in this case introduced himself, showed 2 sets of credentials, so a paper business card is pretty irrelevant. The ATF (with the aide of task force officers) investigates many crimes which involve a firearm especially ones involving an FFL or gun shop. And finally, other law enforcement agencies are not notified when another agency is going to knock and talk. A lot of tin foil hat wearing people in this thread!
- The LEO did not leave contact info. This is unheard of. Even if he was satisfied they always leave contact info.
- The ATF only said there are guys out there like that. But no one heard of this investigations. The ATF office in Baltimore is not very big.
- The local law did not know a thing about this investigation either. Now all LEO's do not know what all other LEO's are doing, but The upper management knows all that is going on.
- And yes, the range owner may have 10 reasons to play dumb when the OP called to ask about this AR, but for me when you add this into the everything else it stinks.
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Hope you never need a cop.So, cry me a river Officer Fife, but don't come a knocking at my door without a warrant.
Someone needs to post that video about not talking to the police about anything, ever, even if you're innocent.
I'd have shut the door in the mans face mumbling something about a warrant.
If nobody talked to the police when they are investigating a crime, how would that go?
The reason he gave for talking to everyone who had been to the range was that the range's rental paperwork was "a mess". He said that many times they showed a person renting a gun but did not list what they rented only hand gun, or rifle. So they have no idea who rented the AR15 in the past month or so and walked off with it or if it is an inside job.
The ATF did all me back and was able to tell me it is one of there guys.
I'm not too worried as I haven't done anything illegal nor do I have any illegal guns alcohol, tobacco or explosive's.
Just thought it odd is all.
A lot of tin foil hat wearing people in this thread!
Problem #1 is that he came to your house because you are a suspect.
You don't talk to him because you are a suspect. You get a lawyer right away.
Look at it this way. Man steals gun at range, he gets questioned. Only thing he remembers is a man and his wife leaving with an Long gun. What makes any one here believe that you are not a suspect when you are questioned by the police?
Get real. Search for "falsely accused"
Hope you never need a cop.
Suspect implies they have some sort of evidence or good reason to believe that you may've committed a crime. Simply conducting an interview doesn't mean that the person being interviewed is a suspect. It's information gathering to further their investigation.
Hope you never need a cop.
Little confused as to your point. In case you might "need" a cop later we should allow cops to do whatever they want?
Please elaborate.
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