Vickers Tactical G17 or G19?

AssMan · Feb 2, 2016

Not buying one immediately, but for those Glock fans, which one - G17 or G19 and why? I'm not a Glock guy, but like the looks and upgrades on these.

I will likely never carry either, so consider the use cases to be training classes, IDPA and/or general paper punching. Thanks.

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StantonCree · Feb 2, 2016

for your purposes stated above it 6 of one and half dozen of another. The 17 is a littler larger but honestly the difference in your hand while shooting is minimal! The decrease in size is more noticeable only really when carrying.

Your more then welcome to try both of mine at Gilberts one day if your up this way.

For paper punching and training classes if the extra few rounds means something to you then boom try the 17. I carry a G33 and sometimes a 19 depending on convenience.

DutchV · Feb 2, 2016

If you have large hands you may not like the 19. The 17 will give you a slightly longer sight radius. Really it's personal preference, and with the Gen 4's you get to try the different backstraps, so that should help.

Tell your wife you can't decide so you need to get both of them.

AssMan · Feb 2, 2016

mpdc4511 said:
Your more then welcome to try both of mine at Gilberts one day if your up this way.

For paper punching and training classes if the extra few rounds means something to you then boom try the 17. I carry a G33 and sometimes a 19 depending on convenience.

Thanks for the offer. It's unlikely that I'll be up there soon though. In looking at the specs, I'm leaning more towards the 17.

DutchV said:
If you have large hands you may not like the 19. The 17 will give you a slightly longer sight radius. Really it's personal preference, and with the Gen 4's you get to try the different backstraps, so that should help.

Tell your wife you can't decide so you need to get both of them.

It is my understanding that these are gen 3's and don't have the different backstraps?

DutchV · Feb 2, 2016

snallygaster said:
It is my understanding that these are gen 3's and don't have the different backstraps?

My mistake, you are correct - it appears that Mr. Vickers doesn't like the Gen 4.

bitterkenny · Feb 2, 2016

Some will say the 17 has a hump! :omg:

G29guy · Feb 2, 2016

personally i recommend subcompacts...before anyone else speaks, if you're such a good shooter that the extra 1" in barrel makes a difference to you then you wouldn't be here asking questions as an example...
now you said not carrying, etc...then I would go w/ the compact/ mid size...I'm a glock guy, I've owned 5 and used other Gen2's elsewhere, never had an issue w/ them- love em. So here are my rules for handgun purchases (guns are tools so apply the same questions): are you planning on buying more than 1 gun or no? if yes then start w/ a 9mm and buy a 2nd one for your "other", then after getting comfortable w/ it look to buy a better caliber down the road and use your experiences to shape that purchase in the future (size, caliber, etc)...the 9mm is the "1 and done" all around pistol round, but like a swiss army knife its not the best for all applications...9mm will kill someone, as will .22 pistols like Moussad used to carry (hey you put 5 of any round into someone's heart- they'll die; but are you that good), 9mm 147gr JHP is good for defense, 9mm ammo is cheap and able to be "re acquired", 9mm is not likely to punch through armor or barriers well though, even a windshield is questionable out how much it will deflect the angle of the bullet whereas .45 and 10mm will...you said you won't carry- etc...I wouldn't let that lock in your decision now, you or the world may change. If you have a job where you can drop $500 whenever you want then screw it, buy what you want and buy again later...thats my half cents worth

G29guy · Feb 2, 2016

Gen4s are the only ones w/ ambidextrous features, i believe any of the "SF" labeled ones have the changeable backstrap feature...I have small hands and Gen3's are fine for me, so if you're not a lefty then save the $ cuz the 4's are a bunch more. basically you can buy a gen3 and good sights for about the price of stock gen4's. My ex who i taught to shoot is a lefty but due to her using my guns and being used to operating a R handed base gun left handed ( i have as well when I shattered my wrist) even she is like "i'll save the $, the extra features aren't that important to me". so unless theres a hard reason that you need a feature of the Gen4, save your $. also Glocks are resilient so you can even buy them used and feel ok about it, usually the worst prob you have is maybe replacing beat up sights...actually for you I would buy a used one and go from there...it'll at least encourage you to buy a second back up weapon- LOL

Blaster229 · Feb 2, 2016

Armati... is that you??

Blaster229 · Feb 2, 2016

G29guy said:
personally i recommend subcompacts...before anyone else speaks, if you're such a good shooter that the extra 1" in barrel makes a difference to you then you wouldn't be here asking questions as an example...
now you said not carrying, etc...then I would go w/ the compact/ mid size...I'm a glock guy, I've owned 5 and used other Gen2's elsewhere, never had an issue w/ them- love em. So here are my rules for handgun purchases (guns are tools so apply the same questions): are you planning on buying more than 1 gun or no? if yes then start w/ a 9mm and buy a 2nd one for your "other", then after getting comfortable w/ it look to buy a better caliber down the road and use your experiences to shape that purchase in the future (size, caliber, etc)...the 9mm is the "1 and done" all around pistol round, but like a swiss army knife its not the best for all applications...9mm will kill someone, as will .22 pistols like Moussad used to carry (hey you put 5 of any round into someone's heart- they'll die; but are you that good), 9mm 147gr JHP is good for defense, 9mm ammo is cheap and able to be "re acquired", 9mm is not likely to punch through armor or barriers well though, even a windshield is questionable out how much it will deflect the angle of the bullet whereas .45 and 10mm will...you said you won't carry- etc...I wouldn't let that lock in your decision now, you or the world may change. If you have a job where you can drop $500 whenever you want then screw it, buy what you want and buy again later...thats my half cents worth

Hey Mr. filibuster...... Do you know what the Vickers models are?

Snally is a very experienced shooter/gun owner. He is not looking for fitting advice, he is asking about the specific choices that come with these models, to use as a beat around the bush range gun.

Slow down Hoss.

amoebicmagician · Feb 2, 2016

the 17 has always felt too big for me, even as a fullsize handgun. The g19 is a good all around gun, plenty of real estate for comfy grip, while being small enough you can carry it if need be.

I prefer the 23 myself, but the 19 is no slouch at all

Edit: After reviewing the product, why not just get a regular glock with night sights? Nothing on these 'custom' guns jumps out as being unique or particularly of utility other than the sights

Blaster229 · Feb 2, 2016

If I couldn't buy a Glock for $398.00, I would go with the Vickers. Either model.
I haven't priced out the cost of the extra goodies (mag extension, Slide release and fiber sight), but wouldn't the total cost of those things add up to the about asking price of a Vickers (from average civilian retail cost) of a G19 or 17?

fidelity · Feb 2, 2016

If you put it together yourself, it's probably a bit cheaper to get a $500 Glock. The slide release and mag extension upgrades are easy to do on one's own and should be around $30 for the parts. I would be surprised if a front fiber sight runs much more than $70 on a G19 (it's easy to find night sights for Glocks in this price range). The thing that may be hard to find at a discount is a grey-framed Glock.

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OrbitalEllipses · Feb 2, 2016

fidelity said:
The thing that may be hard to find at a discount is a grey-framed Glock.

It's also RTF2 texture, which is out of production save for these limited runs.

davsco · Feb 2, 2016

if you will never carry, then the larger 17 is the better choice. longer sight radius and more capacity (not that you can't use a g17 mag in a g19). the widths are identical as is front to back grip size. grip on 17 is a little longer but i (large glove size) can get a full hand on the 19 size.

i really like fiber optic sights and have replaced the stock sights with fiber optics on all my glocks.

Z_Man · Feb 2, 2016

get both and sell something to fund the other if you can't splurge both at once... i love that texture

Indiana Jones · Feb 2, 2016

We have a boatload of both of these at work. They're meh in my opinion. Certainly better than the ghetto sights Glocks come with but I'd rather get a used Sig than a new Vicker's Glock. The upgrades aren't anything to be rushing out about.

AssMan · Feb 2, 2016

I'm thinking 17 over 19, but now Fidelity has me thinking gen4 and just replace the sights rather than buying the Vickers package. Hmm.

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alucard0822 · Feb 2, 2016

The 19 is a bit more snug in the hand, it's quick to point, carries and draws well, unless your hands are large and don't fit the grooves. First thing you notice on the 17 Is the extra room on the grip, your fingers have a little more room, the longer grip has a bit more hump near the bottom, so seems to point a little different. I like the Gen 4s, the grip is slightly smaller, and the hump at the bottom is less pronounced, points less "glocky", and more like most every other pistol on the planet. Ultimately hold them, and shoot a couple models if you can, to me the gen 4 G19 points naturally level and feels just about perfect, the 17 grip feels a hair too large, and the 3G especially feels too steep of an angle and points too high. The larger and more rearward mag release of the 4G is nice, and the texture is grippy without being painful, recoil does feel smoother than gen 3s to me. The Vickers sights are good, but really tall, recently put a set of his night sights on my 19, the dots are subdued, but Fiber optic or Ameriglo pro-glo front sights can brighten it up. The other Vickers parts, slide and mag release are easier to reach without getting in the way, I have put them on all my GLOCKs.

fidelity · Feb 2, 2016

snallygaster said:
I'm thinking 17 over 19, but now Fidelity has me thinking gen4 and just replace the sights rather than buying the Vickers package. Hmm.

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After I figure out what sights I want, I'm likely going to do the various upgrades to this grey Glock 23 (gen 4). :thumbsup:

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