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CrazySanMan
2013'er
HB 717
Honorable Mambers of the Committee:
I am writing to you today to let you know that I support HB717. Maryland has a very strict set of requirements for a first time buyer to complete before purchasing a handgun. The requirements are so strict they most definitely infringe on the enumerated civil right to keep and bear arms. One of the most difficult requirements to meet is the live fire demonstration which this bill would remove.
The requirement to show competency by performing live firing is an absurd requirement to ask someone who has never owned a gun before. Logistically, this requirement is extremely difficult to perform. There are a limited number of public firearm ranges in the state that will allow this to happen. There are no public ranges in Baltimore City period. This requirement effectively eliminates the right to keep and bear arms for those who do not own a vehicle to drive to a shooting range. It also places extreme financial burdens that are difficult for many to afford. Requiring a live firing demonstration significantly raises the cost of insurance that instructors must pay to hold their classes. This extra cost is passed directly to the students. With the excessive cost of the HQL and livescan fingerprinting, the cost of training, and the live fire demonstration, can place the purchaser of a handgun at $250 before the price of a handgun is considered. For those on low or fixed incomes, or without transportation the live firing demonstration denies the right to keep and bear arms.
I know of no other state that requires it's citizens to live fire a handgun before the state allows said citizen to exercise his or her enumerated civil right to keep and bear arms. This will surely be found unconstitutional in the courts, because there are no other civil rights that require the citizenry to show competency at in order to to exercise. Can you imagine the backlash if the state required voters to drive to a limited number of poling places and demonstrate the ability to operate a voting machine before election day before being able to be registered to vote? Or if an english test had to be passed before being allowed to speak in public? Truly absurd ideas that are identical to Maryland's requirement to show profficiency with a firearm before purchasing one.
This bill would also repeal the requirement to live fire a firearm in order to receive a Waer and Carry Permit for a firearm in Maryland. Only a handful of states in the US require a live fire demonstration for a CCW permit. In fact, the only state I could find in my research with this requirement other than Maryland is Florida. None of our surrounding states require a live firing demonstration. Pennsylvania, the home to tens of thousands of ex-Marylanders who voted with their feet and left the state, has no training requirments whatsoever for a concealed carry permit.
Please give this bill a favorable report.
Honorable Mambers of the Committee:
I am writing to you today to let you know that I support HB717. Maryland has a very strict set of requirements for a first time buyer to complete before purchasing a handgun. The requirements are so strict they most definitely infringe on the enumerated civil right to keep and bear arms. One of the most difficult requirements to meet is the live fire demonstration which this bill would remove.
The requirement to show competency by performing live firing is an absurd requirement to ask someone who has never owned a gun before. Logistically, this requirement is extremely difficult to perform. There are a limited number of public firearm ranges in the state that will allow this to happen. There are no public ranges in Baltimore City period. This requirement effectively eliminates the right to keep and bear arms for those who do not own a vehicle to drive to a shooting range. It also places extreme financial burdens that are difficult for many to afford. Requiring a live firing demonstration significantly raises the cost of insurance that instructors must pay to hold their classes. This extra cost is passed directly to the students. With the excessive cost of the HQL and livescan fingerprinting, the cost of training, and the live fire demonstration, can place the purchaser of a handgun at $250 before the price of a handgun is considered. For those on low or fixed incomes, or without transportation the live firing demonstration denies the right to keep and bear arms.
I know of no other state that requires it's citizens to live fire a handgun before the state allows said citizen to exercise his or her enumerated civil right to keep and bear arms. This will surely be found unconstitutional in the courts, because there are no other civil rights that require the citizenry to show competency at in order to to exercise. Can you imagine the backlash if the state required voters to drive to a limited number of poling places and demonstrate the ability to operate a voting machine before election day before being able to be registered to vote? Or if an english test had to be passed before being allowed to speak in public? Truly absurd ideas that are identical to Maryland's requirement to show profficiency with a firearm before purchasing one.
This bill would also repeal the requirement to live fire a firearm in order to receive a Waer and Carry Permit for a firearm in Maryland. Only a handful of states in the US require a live fire demonstration for a CCW permit. In fact, the only state I could find in my research with this requirement other than Maryland is Florida. None of our surrounding states require a live firing demonstration. Pennsylvania, the home to tens of thousands of ex-Marylanders who voted with their feet and left the state, has no training requirments whatsoever for a concealed carry permit.
Please give this bill a favorable report.
CrazySanMan
2013'er
Another to oppose HB0094
March 3, 2014
House Judiciary Committee
House Office Building, Room 101
6 Bladen Street
Annapolis, Maryland 21401
I oppose HB94.
The topic of 3D printed firearms has been sensationalized in the news a lot lately, so much so that it has caused one California state politician to make a fool of himself giving a misleading 30 minute press conference in which he only proved he has no knowledge of firearms whatsoever, let alone the 3D printing and manufacture of firearms.
I see this bill as a solution looking for a problem. Has there been one single documented case, anywhere in the world, of a violent crime committed with a 3D printed firearm? THe answer is a resounding no.
Maryland is a state filled with many problems. Our elected officials should be finding ways to create jobs, to reduce our suffocating taxes, to increase the effectiveness of our public schools. Our legislators should be making our state a better place to live. They should not be trying to solve imaginary, hypothetical problems based solely on misinformation and misunderstanding of fantasy technology when there are so many real and immediate problems in our state.
Thank you,
March 3, 2014
House Judiciary Committee
House Office Building, Room 101
6 Bladen Street
Annapolis, Maryland 21401
I oppose HB94.
The topic of 3D printed firearms has been sensationalized in the news a lot lately, so much so that it has caused one California state politician to make a fool of himself giving a misleading 30 minute press conference in which he only proved he has no knowledge of firearms whatsoever, let alone the 3D printing and manufacture of firearms.
I see this bill as a solution looking for a problem. Has there been one single documented case, anywhere in the world, of a violent crime committed with a 3D printed firearm? THe answer is a resounding no.
Maryland is a state filled with many problems. Our elected officials should be finding ways to create jobs, to reduce our suffocating taxes, to increase the effectiveness of our public schools. Our legislators should be making our state a better place to live. They should not be trying to solve imaginary, hypothetical problems based solely on misinformation and misunderstanding of fantasy technology when there are so many real and immediate problems in our state.
Thank you,
The cutoff is 9:00 AM tomorrow (Tuesday), not today.
Mr H
Banana'd
I'll be pumping some more into the system later today (I'm sure I'll need to rest my back 
)
But with being out of work today, there is no way I can afford to make it tomorrow, unless it's very late (like 5PM).
)But with being out of work today, there is no way I can afford to make it tomorrow, unless it's very late (like 5PM).
The problem is, is that it makes no distinction between someone that is carrying a loaded weapon for the purpose of doing harm, and someone that is slightly out the bounds of the restrictions on their CCW. And who determines if you are outside your restrictions? They do. It doesn't matter what you think.
This is a very bad bill.
Thanks. OP says today @ 9. Get SNI to change?
http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=3054232&postcount=1
Brooklyn
I stand with John Locke.
HB1195 Opposed
I oppose HB1199. This has the look of a bill I would prefer to support, however it's broadly worded and thus a simple minded anti gun bill, not an anti crime bill. I can consider good faith attempts to stiffen penalties for the carrying firearms by prohibited persons or in the commission of a violent crime, but this is not such a bill. In fact most of the existing law should be scrapped on that basis.
Please consider effective anti-crime legislation -- lives depend upon it. This bill, if it has an impact on crime at all, is likely to increase the actual use of violence by way of silencing witness. And given the rate at which gun possession charges seem to be dropped I would bet it is never used against a violent criminal, but more likely their victims. Persecuting victims of violent crime desperate enough to risk jail to try and make it home each night is not the best way to help your constituents.
I urge an unfavorable report.
Thank you
I oppose HB1199. This has the look of a bill I would prefer to support, however it's broadly worded and thus a simple minded anti gun bill, not an anti crime bill. I can consider good faith attempts to stiffen penalties for the carrying firearms by prohibited persons or in the commission of a violent crime, but this is not such a bill. In fact most of the existing law should be scrapped on that basis.
Please consider effective anti-crime legislation -- lives depend upon it. This bill, if it has an impact on crime at all, is likely to increase the actual use of violence by way of silencing witness. And given the rate at which gun possession charges seem to be dropped I would bet it is never used against a violent criminal, but more likely their victims. Persecuting victims of violent crime desperate enough to risk jail to try and make it home each night is not the best way to help your constituents.
I urge an unfavorable report.
Thank you
tsmith1499
Poor C&R Collector
If we have more crap like this next year, (why wouldn't we?), I'm getting a hotel room close by on Monday evening to help if needed and to be there bright and early the next day.
ShallNotInfringe
Lil Firecracker
- Feb 17, 2013
- 8,554
Thought you folks down there wanted to avoid a deluge on Tuesday morning.
You had originally said midnight on 3/3. That was 9 hours ago.
Figured a start of business time made more sense, so I actually extended it...
Neither here nor there on the send side...
Edited. New deadlines posted : 5 pm today for samples posting here, 9 am tomorrow for print/copy.
Keep sending.... by all means.
MigraineMan
Defenestration Specialist
Thanks for the update on the deadline. I was up until 2am submitting written testimony to Del. Smigiel. I'll contiue to crank them out.
I will be in Annapolis for testimony if I can resolve my current dilema - my heat pump failed on Friday, and a replacement part wasn't available over the weekend. So I'm stuck choosing between "heat for my family" and "fight for my freedom." Fate, it would seem, is not above a swift kick in the crotch.
If I can't make the testimony sign-up deadline, I'll show up late and populate the peanut gallery. No excuses.
I will be in Annapolis for testimony if I can resolve my current dilema - my heat pump failed on Friday, and a replacement part wasn't available over the weekend. So I'm stuck choosing between "heat for my family" and "fight for my freedom." Fate, it would seem, is not above a swift kick in the crotch.
If I can't make the testimony sign-up deadline, I'll show up late and populate the peanut gallery. No excuses.
Brooklyn
I stand with John Locke.
I am doing my final proofing pass. I am so talented I figure I can cut the typos by half and still miss half of them 
Once done and handed off-- I may be able to help out if the weather permits.
I do intend to be there early Tuesday. And can come this evening as well ..
Once done and handed off-- I may be able to help out if the weather permits.
I do intend to be there early Tuesday. And can come this evening as well ..
CrazySanMan
2013'er
Quick stupid question:
How long is an HQL valid for before it needs to be renewed? I can't find that information anywhere on the MSP website.
How long is an HQL valid for before it needs to be renewed? I can't find that information anywhere on the MSP website.
tsmith1499
Poor C&R Collector
I think it's 10 years. Someone else will correct me if I'm wrong.
10 years
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ShallNotInfringe
Lil Firecracker
- Feb 17, 2013
- 8,554
Lifted from FSA 2013:
A HANDGUN QUALIFICATION LICENSE ISSUED UNDER THIS SECTION EXPIRES 10 YEARS FROM THE DATE OF ISSUANCE.
Thought you folks down there wanted to avoid a deluge on Tuesday morning.
You had originally said midnight on 3/3. That was 9 hours ago.
Figured a start of business time made more sense, so I actually extended it...
Neither here nor there on the send side...
Edited. New deadlines posted : 5 pm today for samples posting here, 9 am tomorrow for print/copy.
Keep sending.... by all means.
3 cheers for an extended deadline
Thank you!Interesting that if you look at your HQL, you will see a 2023 or 2024 date (depending in when you got it). There is nothing on there to indicate that the date is an expiration date
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tsmith1499
Poor C&R Collector
I'm looking forward to the "updated" picture of Andi's desk later today. Still have 2 more items to send their way.
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