Decision in Kolbe!

[webb297]

Many of the Statists like Clinton and Omalley have moved on to Progressive. They don't seem to like being liberals because they are finding out that liberalism is about protecting the rights of others in ways they don't understand.

As for hackers, blame both political parties for using the term as something deemed a crime.

Sometimes the simplest words find themself being used in very wrong ways and people have to say something. "Assault Weapon" "Clip"

My State Senator is am man I have known, for much of my life. We a members of the same church. He is a Democrat, but seemed a very reasonable person. He is a Veteran, and received a Bronze Star in Desert Storm. When FSA2013 came about, it was so ridiculous and out there, I thought there was no way he could support it.

When questioned about why he would support such an abomination, he stated that the "church" wanted him to do so, for victim's rights.

I haven't been able to speak to him since.

Nobody here cares what you call yourself, only whether you vote to keep or put those in office who will work against the Second Amendment. In this state, that is ALL democrats. The most outspoken of them call themselves "Liberals", so we take them at their word. You got a problem which what they call themselves, take it up with them.

BTW, Welcome to the forum.

 

[redeemed.man]

To be clear, I didn't say (or mean) that anti-gunners are apolitical. I was referring only to those anti-gunners (like "the average soccer mom or Brady volunteer") that ARE apolitical. Big difference there.




By definition, most volunteers are followers, not leaders. Leaders make the rules, followers simply follow them. Again, big differences there and an important distinction to be aware of when challenging (or attempting to decipher) the actions of either.

Now, that's not to say that followers or volunteers can't be radical about their beliefs. Often, they are. But most of these people have no actual understanding of the issues they feel strongly about. Poll the majority of students on virtually any campus of higher learning and you'll see I'm right. They're simply moved by emotion and their leaders know how to use that emotion to get [their] followers to do their bidding.

"All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach." —Adolph Hitler

Amazing how much Hitler had in common with the progressives and leaders of the #BLM movement. Ignorant fools.

 

[NavyATFP]

I'm seeing more and more of a dog pile happening. Instead of arguing I'll end it by saying "You Win". Now I remember why I was very hesitant being a plaintiff in this case. All the wonderful "I'm right, your wrong" in the gun "Rights" community.

Thanks for reminding me why I stopped coming here.

 

[webb297]

I'm seeing more and more of a dog pile happening. Instead of arguing I'll end it by saying "You Win". Now I remember why I was very hesitant being a plaintiff in this case. All the wonderful "I'm right, your wrong" in the gun "Rights" community.

Thanks for reminding me why I stopped coming here.

We are not piling on, we are disagreeing with your position, with reasons supporting our positions.......

 

[fred333]

More assumptions that liberal means Democrat. Liberal is an idea, Liberalism is an idea. It's worth fighting to preserve.

While you're debating the name, your Democratic ship's headed for (or returning to....I'm still not sure?) Moscow (with ports in Havana, Tehran and what's left of Stockholm).

 

[fred333]

Amazing how much Hitler had in common with the progressives and leaders of the #BLM movement. Ignorant fools.

Birds of a feather and all that....

 

[NavyATFP]

We are not piling on, we are disagreeing with your position, with reasons supporting our positions.......

Yes, with Hitler references.

 

[Southwest Chuck]

Socialists have no need for guns until they realize just how wrong they are.

^^^ ...and by then, it's too late ...

Take America away from the Constitutionalist and give it to the Progressive so it becomes Socialist. Remove the guns from the citizens and it will become Communist.

Our liberties are up for sale...
The 2A is the only thing protecting our liberties...
The Progressives are attempting to remove the 2A...
Once they do that, we are screwed...
Voting for Progressive candidates FROM ANY PARTY is a vote to kill America as a Constitutional Republic.

Progressive Liberal = The name that Communism is hiding behind in today's political arena. Don't be fooled.

^^^ Make no mistake, this is the reality here folks ....

However, one has to decide his priorities and back them. In my case, I've decided that the Second Amendment is so fundamental to our freedom and all other rights that it takes precedent over everything in my political life.

^^^ This is the bottom line and I applaud your commitment and clairity of thought my friend ....

 

[Norton]

In typical leftist fashion, our friend NavyATFP just couldn't bear the pain of bearing witness to the discussion here and requested to have his account terminated. It seems to be a moral quandary of association with a group of people that just can't buy into the group think.

We live to meet everyone's expectations, so I obliged.

 

[fred333]

In typical leftist fashion, our friend NavyATFP just couldn't bear the pain of bearing witness to the discussion here and requested to have his account terminated. It seems to be a moral quandary of association with a group of people that just can't buy into the group think.
We live to meet everyone's expectations, so I obliged.

It's also the M.O. of two year-olds. When they can't get their way, instead of discussing or debating the issue, they pick-up their toys and run off in a huff. They just can't bear to risk being wrong.

"How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think." —Adolph Hitler (in honour of our departed friend)

 

[ComeGet]

In typical leftist fashion, our friend NavyATFP just couldn't bear the pain of bearing witness to the discussion here and requested to have his account terminated. It seems to be a moral quandary of association with a group of people that just can't buy into the group think.

We live to meet everyone's expectations, so I obliged.

Well, this community is pretty intolerant of anyone who does not agree with it 100 percent.

Insulting terms get tossed about in this echo chamber.

There are a lot of intelligent people here and I get educated on all things firearms every day, but the insistence on pure conservatism or GTFO gets tiresome.

I don't plan on going anywhere any time soon, either.

 

[DanGuy48]

You cannot lump JFK in with today's leftist, ignoramus nit-wits. Democrats of the early '60s (like Kennedy) would be slightly-right-of-center Republicans today. FYI: JFK was an NRA lifer and did shoot (well).

Perhaps you're agreeing, can't tell from the wording but, just to be sure, that is exactly why I separated out JFK and Humphrey, because they are not like today's democrats. Today's democrats have gone completely overboard and you're correct that neither JFK or HH would pass muster as a democrat by today's standards.

 

[Southwest Chuck]

In typical leftist fashion, our friend NavyATFP just couldn't bear the pain of bearing witness to the discussion here and requested to have his account terminated. It seems to be a moral quandary of association with a group of people that just can't buy into the group think.

We live to meet everyone's expectations, so I obliged.

It's also the M.O. of two year-olds. When they can't get their way, instead of discussing or debating the issue, they pick-up their toys and run off in a huff. They just can't bear to risk being wrong.

"How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think." —Adolph Hitler (in honour of our departed friend)

Both very sad ......

Reality is a hard thing to comprehend and accept. Unfortunately, for some, they just refuse to separate their feelings from facts, and are the group that contributes the most to the age old saying that History always repeats itself.

These people tie their self esteem to their beliefs. They just refuse to face the fact that they "COULD" be wrong about their belief systems, and if they did, they would be a failure. Thus, they just can't accept what we are all saying. It's just impossible. If it were, their whole world view would come crashing down around them.

Doubly sad, IMO.

 

[webb297]

In typical leftist fashion, our friend NavyATFP just couldn't bear the pain of bearing witness to the discussion here and requested to have his account terminated. It seems to be a moral quandary of association with a group of people that just can't buy into the group think.

We live to meet everyone's expectations, so I obliged.

Sad really. It seems this has been on his mind for some time.

http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=3134032&postcount=60

I actually agree with his interpretation on how to advance the discussion with younger democrats, buy getting them out to shoot, and showing them the break in logic their representatives are feeding them on gun control.

It is a shame that he allowed the emotion of the situation to get to him. I think I agreed with him on things that were not just words (like meanings of "Liberal" and "Progressive").

In the end, it seems that the logical disconnect that allowed those words to cause him to continue to support politicians who actively acted against the rights he so strongly believed in, overcame him. It must be maddening.

It is also a shame for him that Hitler wanted to control the people who had access to firearms, to effectively create a disarmed public (especially those not directly associated with his party), kinda like the radical Democrat politicians today. I really don't like Hitler associations because I think they are brought out to inject emotion into an argument when one is loosing, but sometimes... they are right on the money.

It is a shame, because he could be very effective in his community. But, in order for us to truly understand a situation, we cant have our heads in the sand about who is causing harm to our cause, even if we want to like them.

 

[Gryphon]

In typical leftist fashion, our friend NavyATFP just couldn't bear the pain of bearing witness to the discussion here and requested to have his account terminated. It seems to be a moral quandary of association with a group of people that just can't buy into the group think.

We live to meet everyone's expectations, so I obliged.

Oh the drama. Couldn't just log off and watch the stuper bowl. Had to ask to have his account closed! LOL Thin skinned, self-proclaimed, and devout liberal. He probably has a closet full of participation trophies. I have nothing against a fellow shooter, but God's speed to him, and I thank him for his service.

 

[Southwest Chuck]

Well, this community is pretty intolerant of anyone who does not agree with it 100 percent.

Insulting terms get tossed about in this echo chamber.

There are a lot of intelligent people here and I get educated on all things firearms every day, but the insistence on pure conservatism or GTFO gets tiresome.

I don't plan on going anywhere any time soon, either.

That's a pretty broad brush you're painting with there friend. Having a different point of view and advocating for it, is not being intolerant. Pointing out the flaws in thinking of another poster (and calling it intolerant) is exactly what the left is pandering to the masses.

I suppose I am pretty intolerant of that, though ....
So I'll give you 9/10ths of a point on that ...

 

[Brooklyn]

More assumptions that liberal means Democrat. Liberal is an idea, Liberalism is an idea. It's worth fighting to preserve.

Then do so..

The democratic party platform is not an assumption.

But it is socialist and statest.

Now go save liberalism from the democrats meanwhile,
I have work to do saving the nation from liberalism.. and given how easy it was for the left to usurp the democrats..not sure many of them will be much use doing as do.



Fix your party of choice..

 

[BUFF7MM]

In typical leftist fashion, our friend NavyATFP just couldn't bear the pain of bearing witness to the discussion here and requested to have his account terminated. It seems to be a moral quandary of association with a group of people that just can't buy into the group think.

We live to meet everyone's expectations, so I obliged.

I'd almost bet money that he tries to make a new account in the near future.

 

[Gryphon]

I'd almost bet money that he tries to make a new account in the near future.

No problem he wasn't banned, it was a self-imposed timeout. Seriously, I hope he thinks about it and comes back.

 

[webb297]

No problem he wasn't banned, it was a self-imposed timeout. Seriously, I hope he thinks about it and comes back.

Me too.