Question about bills in committee

[press1280]

Quick question-I know I saw it here but was unable to find specifics.

We know all of the shall-issue bills get desk drawered every year, but wasn't there a legislative maneuver to bypass the committee and get a full floor vote? I would really be curious where a shall-issue bill truly stands in MD right now. When OweMalley was Gov, I would think the vote probably wouldn't be accurate since everyone would assume he'd veto.
But what about now with Hogan?

 

[6pack]

It's something along the lines of there are enough pro-2A legislators now that they could petition the bill out of committee. I believe this is only in the Senate, but am not positive,

 

[dblas]

The house GOP has enough numbers to now petition a bill out of committee, but that does not guarantee a floor vote by any means.

The bill could be special ordered until 2359 on sine die (the last day), it could be referred back to committee, or it could be put up for a floor vote, but again, there is no guarantee on the list option.

And people need to read the current statute, it already says, "the secretary SHALL issue..." so the statute is already shall issue, what needs changed is the way restrictions are done, the over reach of MSP of it's authority granted by the statute and COMAR.

 

[DC-W]

And people need to read the current statute, it already says, "the secretary SHALL issue..." so the statute is already shall issue, what needs changed is the way restrictions are done, the over reach of MSP of it's authority granted by the statute and COMAR.

So what you're saying is we need to re-brand MSI as MSAI, or "Maryland Shall Actually Issue"?

 

[ironpony]

Is this just a wait and see, fingers crossed, wait till the old guard retires situation? ... to put it bluntly.
I think I know the answer "D" all of the above.

 

[ras_oscar]

I think the OP was looking for a floor vote as a way of forcing elected appointees to take a stand on the record in preparation for the next election cycle.

 

[MJD438]

I think the OP was looking for a floor vote as a way of forcing elected appointees to take a stand on the record in preparation for the next election cycle.

That would be a great thing. However, the petition process only forces the bill out of committee; it does not guarantee a vote on the House floor, as dblas stated previously. We cannot control what Speaker Busch will do; but, we can bet that, if it is not something he, or the Democratic part machine, does not want to see moved, it will either be calendared to the end of Sine Die, or sent to Rules, etc.

 

[Muleskinner]

So what you're saying is we need to re-brand MSI as MSAI, or "Maryland Shall Actually Issue"?

No...what we need to do is force the governor's hand and make him order the licensing div deny for cause, not for default...in other words unless you are not qualified to own a firearm you are automatically approved after some sort of training...but Hogan has already said no gun laws would change so that's not going to happen...

 

[MDFF2008]

The term is Discharge petition.

I know in the US Congress, a discharge petition can force a floor vote on a bill, but MD may be different.

A discharge petition is now we got FOPA.

 

[MDFF2008]

No...what we need to do is force the governor's hand and make him order the licensing div deny for cause, not for default...in other words unless you are not qualified to own a firearm you are automatically approved after some sort of training...but Hogan has already said no gun laws would change so that's not going to happen...

Most likely can't be done with the current wording of the law. You can thank a certain delegate for bringing this matter to Frosh's attention as well.

 

[Jaybeez]

we need a better bill. trying to "fix" current law by changing 1 or 2 words is a non starter. current carry law was never meant to be availavle to everyman, only elites and those with certain jobs. i call current wear and carry permits "super permits", partly because the superintendant's discretion, but also because outside of random and arbitrary restrictions, they allow "super" carry.

say you're a business owner within your restrictions. you can do almost anything with a "super" permit.
carry in parks, bars, government buildings, no police notification required, no ability for private property owners to stop you. frankly, in some aspects its less restrictive than open and constitutional carry. The GA will never allow that to be available to everyman. we need a new bill and a fresh start, and i happen to have one in mind.

 

[moojersey]

we need a better bill. trying to "fix" current law by changing 1 or 2 words is a non starter. current carry law was never meant to be availavle to everyman, only elites and those with certain jobs. i call current wear and carry permits "super permits", partly because the superintendant's discretion, but also because outside of random and arbitrary restrictions, they allow "super" carry.

say you're a business owner within your restrictions. you can do almost anything with a "super" permit.
carry in parks, bars, government buildings, no police notification required, no ability for private property owners to stop you. frankly, in some aspects its less restrictive than open and constitutional carry. The GA will never allow that to be available to everyman. we need a new bill and a fresh start, and i happen to have one in mind.

Do tell. You guys working something up for the next upcoming session?

 

[Muleskinner]

Most likely can't be done with the current wording of the law. You can thank a certain delegate for bringing this matter to Frosh's attention as well.

It can be done....yes Frosh will file suit...which gets the issue back before judges...all the way up...the SCOTUS already sent a precedent which could force the state to pass a shall issue law....it can't get worse than what we have right now....it can only make it better....but Hogan is anti 2A so unless we, as a community apply political pressure he's not going to do it...a couple hundred thousand angry gun owners refusing to re-elect him would send a message...

 

[zoostation]

There is a way, I think Glendenning did this and bypassed the committees to force some of his gun control through. Seeing as the current administration isn't seemingly able or willing to even help us with obstinate mid level managers in MSP as far as handgun permits, I doubt you'll be seeing them do much for us on the floor of the General Assembly.

Another way is to creatively title the bill to get it to a friendlier committee, unfortunately in MD they are all chaired by dems so wouldn't do much good I think.

 

[BeoBill]

It can be done....yes Frosh will file suit...which gets the issue back before judges...all the way up...the SCOTUS already sent a precedent which could force the state to pass a shall issue law....it can't get worse than what we have right now....it can only make it better....but Hogan is anti 2A so unless we, as a community apply political pressure he's not going to do it...a couple hundred thousand angry gun owners refusing to re-elect him would send a message...

Yup. That message would be "We are so self-centered, impatient and stupid we allowed a rabid anti-2A D to be elected."

Nice plan there...

 

[MDFF2008]

Yup. That message would be "We are so self-centered, impatient and stupid we allowed a rabid anti-2A D to be elected."

Nice plan there...

10,000 gun owners showing up at 2A Tuesday would send a message that Hogan needs to act or risk losing support.

10,000 gun owners not voting would just elect an openly anti-2A governor.

There's got to be something in Art of War about not giving up a favorable position for an unfavorable one.

 

[LoneRanger]

It can be done....yes Frosh will file suit...which gets the issue back before judges...all the way up...the SCOTUS already sent a precedent which could force the state to pass a shall issue law....it can't get worse than what we have right now....it can only make it better....but Hogan is anti 2A so unless we, as a community apply political pressure he's not going to do it...a couple hundred thousand angry gun owners refusing to re-elect him would send a message...

Where are you going to find this couple hundred thousand angry gun owners?

Guns are one of the few bargaining chips that Hogan has in his stack....he needs to keep as many of his campaign promises as possible to have any hope of re-election....he needs Mike & Mike's help for that to happen....before his term is up, guns will be used a bargaining chip...and probably not in a way most of us will approve of..

 

[Raineman]

press1280--yes...there is a petition process.

I tried this last session to get a bill out of committee (don't remember which one).

By my calculations, the House had the numbers. I was dealing with my freshman Delegate, Trent Kittleman.

She told me the numbers were not there. I showed her they were. She still would not petition it.

I don't recall a lot of details, other than being pissed about yet another spineless Delegate that wouldn't listen to their constituent.

 

[SCDoGo]

press1280--yes...there is a petition process.

I tried this last session to get a bill out of committee (don't remember which one).

By my calculations, the House had the numbers. I was dealing with my freshman Delegate, Trent Kittleman.

She told me the numbers were not there. I showed her they were. She still would not petition it.

I don't recall a lot of details, other than being pissed about yet another spineless Delegate that wouldn't listen to their constituent.

While there were enough republicans to vote it out, she may have know that some of those Rs would have voted no, killing the idea. Her brush off of "not enough votes" may have been her trying not to cast aspersions on her fellow delegates. Right or wrong, just an idea. It would be so refreshing if politicians could just be candid with us.

 

[press1280]

I think the OP was looking for a floor vote as a way of forcing elected appointees to take a stand on the record in preparation for the next election cycle.

That's basically where I was going with it. But it sounds as if the House Speaker can simply block it from a floor vote so unless the Speaker is going to buck his party, it seems like a pointless exercise?