VICTORY IN PALMER!!!!

[press1280]

Funny, I thought the IL legislature was generally pro-RKBA except for the Cook County delegation (which was supposedly not large enough to change the balance). What gives?

They are except the elites of the Democratic machine will not willingly pass a rkba bill and won't let it go to a vote, especially with a GOP governor.

 

[kcbrown]

They are except the elites of the Democratic machine will not willingly pass a rkba bill and won't let it go to a vote, especially with a GOP governor.

Then the legislature isn't actually pro-RKBA, is it? Which means all the claims that the IL legislature is pro-RKBA were BS from the beginning, and the governor actually had nothing to do with the fact that IL never repealed its anti-carry law until Moore.

Opinions which are never practically expressed because their expression is controlled by others are opinions that do not exist for practical purposes. If the Democrat elites control the practical expression of pro-RKBA opinions to the degree you say, then those pro-RKBA opinions do not exist for practical purposes, and it renders the fact that those opinions exist at all irrelevant.

 

[TxAggie]

I was out of pocket last week, and I've tried catching up over the past few days. Could someone please provide a cliff notes of where we now stand after the hearing on 11/20?

Thank you! All of the info gone over is great, thanks Esq, but I sometimes get a little lost in the details.

 

[Inigoes]

I was out of pocket last week, and I've tried catching up over the past few days. Could someone please provide a cliff notes of where we now stand after the hearing on 11/20?

Thank you! All of the info gone over is great, thanks Esq, but I sometimes get a little lost in the details.

We have to literally wait 2 weeks

DC has to respond on 12/4 why it should not be held in comtempt

 

[TxAggie]

We have to literally wait 2 weeks



DC has to respond on 12/4 why it should not be held in comtempt

Not that again!

So 11/20 was simply presenting arguments? Who was the judge, same one?

 

[press1280]

Then the legislature isn't actually pro-RKBA, is it? Which means all the claims that the IL legislature is pro-RKBA were BS from the beginning, and the governor actually had nothing to do with the fact that IL never repealed its anti-carry law until Moore.

Opinions which are never practically expressed because their expression is controlled by others are opinions that do not exist for practical purposes. If the Democrat elites control the practical expression of pro-RKBA opinions to the degree you say, then those pro-RKBA opinions do not exist for practical purposes, and it renders the fact that those opinions exist at all irrelevant.

They do matter when forced to vote. That isn't allowed to happen in single party states, short of a court forcing the legislature's hand.

 

[kcbrown]

They do matter when forced to vote. That isn't allowed to happen in single party states, short of a court forcing the legislature's hand.

True. So the problem here is that the party elite occupy critical positions (e.g., speaker) that have veto power over whether or not a vote takes place, right?

 

[Mr H]

True. So the problem here is that the party elite occupy critical positions (e.g., speaker) that have veto power over whether or not a vote takes place, right?

Just look at the damage Baron von Frosh has done here over the years... And that's just at the Committee level!

 

[Blacksmith101]

True. So the problem here is that the party elite occupy critical positions (e.g., speaker) that have veto power over whether or not a vote takes place, right?

Just look at what "Dirty" Harry Reid has bottled up in the US Senate, literally hundreds of bills passed by the House have never seen the light of day.

 

[press1280]

Just look at the damage Baron von Frosh has done here over the years... And that's just at the Committee level!

Exactly. For example, here in WV there's a member of the legislature that always introduces a one gun a month bill every year. His bill is allowed to be voted on because there's no threat there and it's much better to allow it to go down in flames that try to bottle it up.

I remember one of the CCW bills in MD wasn't allowed a vote because the chairperson said something along the lines of, "Because you have the votes." While that may not be the case every time, they also don't want to lose some moderate members of their caucus to getting ousted in the next election and risk control going to the other party.

 

[cdstraw]

Update on the DC Plan...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/24/dc-inches-closer-to-contempt-with-concealed-carry-/

It looks like the DC Council does not care what the Judge says... IMHO

 

[swinokur]

Yep. they are too invested in their own ideology to worry about a contempt order and a PI.

Hopefully this will turn out well for our side.

 

[Cyndi59]

Trying to figure this out..non-residents (when the earth is closest to Saturn) why would non-residents have to register their sidearm with D.C.,??Virginia and Florida didn't ask..is that a crock.Why,I'm thinking if someone comes to D.C. for a day or two..their going to waste time down at 300 Indy.Just curious since D.C. is not going to honour non-res permits and be cash hungry to only honour their own permits and those would only last 2 years.

 

[Inigoes]

Trying to figure this out..non-residents (when the earth is closest to Saturn) why would non-residents have to register their sidearm with D.C.,??Virginia and Florida didn't ask..is that a crock.Why,I'm thinking if someone comes to D.C. for a day or two..their going to waste time down at 300 Indy.Just curious since D.C. is not going to honour non-res permits and be cash hungry to only honour their own permits and those would only last 2 years.

The reason for the contempt allegation. Instead of passing a law using Judge Scullins opinion, DC flipped their middle finger to the court.

 

[BeoBill]

Trying to figure this out..non-residents (when the earth is closest to Saturn) why would non-residents have to register their sidearm with D.C.,??Virginia and Florida didn't ask..is that a crock.Why,I'm thinking if someone comes to D.C. for a day or two..their going to waste time down at 300 Indy.Just curious since D.C. is not going to honour non-res permits and be cash hungry to only honour their own permits and those would only last 2 years.

Because they are all living in the Hippie World of the 1960s. They're Little Precious Snowflakes and don't have to do what the court directs them to if they don't want to. So there!

 

[krucam]

The District has asked the Circuit Court to "hold" the case there pending the resolution of matters in the District Court.

11/25/2014 ENTRY OF APPEARANCE [1524393] filed by Holly M. Johnson and co-counsel Todd S. Kim on behalf of Appellants DC and Cathy L. Lanier. [14-7180] (Johnson, Holly)

11/25/2014 INCORRECT DOCKET ENTRY-DISREGARD--MOTION filed [1524395] by DC and Cathy L. Lanier to hold case in abeyance (Response to Motion served by mail due on 12/08/2014) [Service Date: 11/25/2014 by CM/ECF NDA] Pages: 1-10. [14-7180]--[Edited 11/26/2014 by JJA] (Johnson, Holly)

11/25/2014 CORRECTED MOTION filed [1524398] by DC and Cathy L. Lanier to hold case in abeyance (Response to Motion served by mail due on 12/08/2014) [Service Date: 11/25/2014 by CM/ECF NDA] Pages: 1-10. [14-7180] (Johnson, Holly)

The Corrected Motion is attached.

 

[pcfixer]

The District has asked the Circuit Court to "hold" the case there pending the resolution of matters in the District Court.



The Corrected Motion is attached.

This Court’s review of the important issue in this case—a constitutional
challenge to the District’s legislation in the critical area of public safety—should
be thorough and considered, not piecemeal and rushed by plaintiffs’ strategic
maneuvers, expansive suggestions of the district court’s continuing jurisdiction,
and overwrought claims of contempt by the District government in light of the
amended statute. Accordingly, the case should be held in abeyance pending the
district court’s disposition of all pending motions.

Sounds like a stalling tactic to me!! My wish is they would own up to fundamental constitutional rights that are NOT overriden by the words 'public safety'.

 

[swinokur]

so this is a tactic to preserve their appeal rights by filing now even though it's not an appeal?

I hope it's rejected if that's allowed.

 

[krucam]

They seem to want to finish matters at District is my thought. With the case now filed at Circuit, they would have likely filed for a Stay by now if they had the means. That said, this would delay their having to file their initial Complaint.

IANAL...

 

[esqappellate]

They seem to want to finish matters at District is my thought. With the case now filed at Circuit, they would have likely filed for a Stay by now if they had the means. That said, this would delay their having to file their initial Complaint.

IANAL...

This is nothing beyond what it first appears. And no big deal. The District wants to hold their initial in abeyance until after Judge Scullin rules on the contempt motion. If the district loses that motion and their appeal would then be consolidated with the first appeal. If Gura loses, his appeal would likewise be consolidated. Makes sense. Probably will be granted.