PDW? or SBR? or AOW??

[Sveiks]

Ok, I have looked around and the terms PDW and SBR seems to be used interchangeably in conversation, but the industry seems to consider them 2 separate animals.

Can someone give a factual answer with respect to MD? I'm assuming that a PDW is a banned SBR since they are less than 29".

is my assumption correct? or am I way off....

thanks!

 

[clandestine]

I understand a PDW to be a SBR in the legal capacity BUT they use a specialty OR a pistol round.

I understand a SBR to be a rifle that fires a rifle/carbine round that is smaller than a general purpose carbine.

 

[Sveiks]

ok, riddle me this....

I understand a PDW to be a SBR in the legal capacity BUT they use a specialty OR a pistol round.

I understand a SBR to be a rifle that fires a rifle/carbine round that is smaller than a general purpose carbine.

can i legally make a 9mm (rock river, so, no interchangeable parts) 'PDW' in Maryland with an over all length UNDER 29" and call it an AOW" that was my intention anyway... or does Maryland see anything with a stock, piston grip and detachable grip as an assault rifle or an SBR?

does anyone know FOR SURE?

and, if the ATF signs off on it, since it seem they're in cahoots with MSP, am I in the clear?

 

[clandestine]

AOW has not been clarified specifically.

 

[Sveiks]

AOW

AOW has not been clarified specifically.

would the ATF consider a PDW an AOW? i'm thinking about trying it.

 

[clandestine]

What is the host weapon?

 

[Sveiks]

Rock River

What is the host weapon?

i don't know if i want to start with a 9mm LAR-9 Rifle, or a LAR-9 pistol.

would that make a difference?

 

[clandestine]

Its got to be on the handgun roster to get it as a SBR or pistol.

To make it an aow it would have to be under 29", have a fvg installed, and you can't install a buttstock.

Your not going to be able to sidestep MD law with the aow and have a stock.

Best bet it to get an ad pistol and attach a SIG brace. No NFA stuff and its legal to shoot like a rifle. Just can't install a FVG unless the goal is over 26"

 

[Sveiks]

ok, if it has a stock...

Its got to be on the handgun roster to get it as a SBR or pistol.

To make it an aow it would have to be under 29", have a fvg installed, and you can't install a buttstock.

Your not going to be able to sidestep MD law with the aow and have a stock.

Best bet it to get an ad pistol and attach a SIG brace. No NFA stuff and its legal to shoot like a rifle. Just can't install a FVG unless the goal is over 26"

ok, if it has a stock... its an SBR, period. right??

forgive me, what a fvg?

 

[rangerone314]

VFG? Vertical Fore Grip

 

[DaemonAssassin]

I'd have to tell you to bypass the 9mm and build a stripped lower out to a 223/556 or a 300BLK in aa pistol configuration, with a Sig PSB. You may as well take advantage of the rifle calibers for better accuracy out at longer ranges. Also if you have to use it for HD, the 223 is not going to overpenetrate if your shot(s) hit a wall.

 

[Pinecone]

Right now, no center fire semi auto with a shoulder stock ("rifle") under 29" in MD. Shorter than 29" makes it a copycat under the law according to MSP. Even though, the law says an SBR is a pistol.

BATFE will kick back a From 1 or Form 4 to MD will an overall length of less than 29".

And I agree with DA, it makes no sense to make a 9mm, when the .300 Blackout shoots a similar weight bullet at double the velocity, or a 2x weight at the same velocity (so sub sonic with a can is quiet).

 

[Hawkeye]

And I agree with DA, it makes no sense to make a 9mm, when the .300 Blackout shoots a similar weight bullet at double the velocity, or a 2x weight at the same velocity (so sub sonic with a can is quiet).

It does if you don't have a billion dollars to spend on ammo and you actually want to shoot the thing.

 

[RoboRay]

can i legally make a 9mm (rock river, so, no interchangeable parts) 'PDW' in Maryland with an over all length UNDER 29" and call it an AOW" that was my intention anyway... or does Maryland see anything with a stock, piston grip and detachable grip as an assault rifle or an SBR?

does anyone know FOR SURE?

and, if the ATF signs off on it, since it seem they're in cahoots with MSP, am I in the clear?

An AOW is a concealable weapon (defined by BATF as less than 26 inches OAL) with two hand grips and no stock. If you want a stock, it's a rifle or SBR.

Have you considered going with a Sig Brace instead of a stock and an OAL greater than 26 inches so you can run a VFG and not fall into either the SBR or AOW categories?

 

[dblas]

i don't know if i want to start with a 9mm LAR-9 Rifle, or a LAR-9 pistol.

would that make a difference?

LAR-9 pistol and add a VPG = AOW (adding a vert fore grip to a pistol makes it an AOW, no matter the length of the barrel)

LAR-9 Rifle, shortened and add VPG - SBR

 

[Hawkeye]

LAR-9 pistol and add a VPG = AOW (adding a vert fore grip to a pistol makes it an AOW, no matter the length of the barrel)

Unless the OAL of the weapon is more than 26". Then it does not matter.

(Unless I'm mistaken.)

 

[RoboRay]

Correct. An LAR-9 pistol with the 10.5 inch barrel has an OAL of 26.5 inches, so it becomes simply a "firearm" when you add a VFG, not subject to the NFA. The version with the 7 inch barrel would become an AOW because it is "capable of being concealed on the person" per the NFA and BATF guidelines.

 

[dblas]

Unless the OAL of the weapon is more than 26". Then it does not matter.

(Unless I'm mistaken.)

Correct.

 

[Pinecone]

It does if you don't have a billion dollars to spend on ammo and you actually want to shoot the thing.

Start reloading. Not that expensive to load for .300 Blackout.

And I can just see you telling your dead family, I could have had a better HD firearm, but I wanted to save money on ammo.

 

[Hawkeye]

And I can just see you telling your dead family, I could have had a better HD firearm, but I wanted to save money on ammo.

Yeah, because 9mm has never killed anyone. In fact, a dude shot me on my way in to work with a 9 last week. Seven times. They all bounced off though, so I'm fine.

And I wouldn't be telling my family anything, 'cause they'd be dead.

Seriously though, I'd much rather have a gun that I've pulled the trigger on 10,000 times than one I've shot 500 times, even if the first is a 9mm and the second is a .300BLK. And realistically, not all of us are in a life situation that allows for reloading.