Stripped lowers legal?

[swinokur]

I agree

 

[tsmith1499]

My question is: If you have to fill out a 77r and have to wait 8 days, how are they any LESS REGULATED than they were before??? They're still regulated because they're not C&C. IMHO.

 

[Hawkeye]

My question is: If you have to fill out a 77r and have to wait 8 days, how are they any LESS REGULATED than they were before??? They're still regulated because they're not C&C. IMHO.

As long as a 77R is required, they're not any less regulated than they were before. In fact, more so because you can't build them into a banned configuration.

However, what all of us are saying is that they shouldn't be regulated AT ALL and that you shouldn't have to fill out a 77R for them. The only remaining "regulated firearms" that are still legal are handguns, and a stripped lower is statutorily not a handgun.

 

[tsmith1499]

Oh I completely agree.

 

[Calengor]

I think they're trying to have it both ways. They're saying it's not a handgun, but that it's the frame or receiver of one. So you don't need an HQL because it's not a handgun, but you need to fill out a 77r because it's a handgun frame or receiver, which they are claiming makes it a regulated firearm, with firearm defined as:

(1) "Firearm" means:

(i) a weapon that expels, is designed to expel, or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; or

(ii) the frame or receiver of such a weapon.

 

[swinokur]

What's there excuse for allowing an HBAR besides the fact it's not banned? That's a firearm too. The fact is a receiver is not a handgun by MD's definition. Firearms by themselves are not regulated. handguns are.

They've dug a hole for themselves. Fun to watch this whole fiasco.

 

[SWO Daddy]

IMO they're crapping their uniform pants in Pikesvile if this gets away from them.

Good thing they wear brown pants.

 

[swinokur]

Hopefully that won't be brown enough

 

[SWO Daddy]

Not only that, but it should have been this way ALL ALONG, even before SB281. The HBAR was not a regulated firearm prior to SB281, so a Form 77r should not have been required for it. Since stripped lowers could be built into a HBAR and the stripped lower itself was not classified as a "regulated firearm" prior to SB281, it should have been cash and carry.

1000x this. For years we let them regulate AR lowers for no reason other than to "make the bad man go away."

 

[RRHemi]

Anyone else afraid of how the ding dongs in Annapolis will respond to this? I hope everyone is working to keep Brown out of the big chair down there.

 

[SWO Daddy]

Anyone else afraid of how the ding dongs in Annapolis will respond to this? I hope everyone is working to keep Brown out of the big chair down there.

I have zero doubt this will be the next "loophole" in the law for fixing...along with every gun on the MSP "not banned" list.

 

[jpo183]

I think we've all filled out enough 77r forms.

Yep but I want all my lowers to be on 4473s not 77r. Big difference in my opinion s to what you own.

 

[swinokur]

4473's stay with the FFL. 77r's go to MSP.

Big difference IMO.

 

[DC-W]

4473's stay with the FFL. 77r's go to MSP.

Big difference IMO.

Huge.

 

[OrbitalEllipses]

I have zero doubt this will be the next "loophole" in the law for fixing...along with every gun on the MSP "not banned" list.

I'd be shocked if this DIDN'T happen.

 

[Joe Blow]

Who knows, maybe a receiver by itself isn't evil and scary enough to garner the same attention.(wishful thinking huh)

 

[kalister1]

Stop trying to make any sense out of this.
H-Bar rifles have been Cash and Carry.
Buy an H-Bar and then strip it down to the bare receiver and you have a Cash and Carry striped lower.
There is no reason for them to ever have been regulated.

 

[Hawkeye]

Buy an H-Bar and then strip it down to the bare receiver and you have a Cash and Carry striped lower.

Except that the only legal configuration for that lower in MD right now is as an H-BAR rifle. You can't build a pistol out of what once was a rifle.

With a new lower transferred as "O" you could.

 

[jmike1487]

Wont be buying any lowers until they are c&c.

+2

 

[Bertfish]

Wont be buying any lowers until they are c&c.

What if MSP doesn't cave though?