Building handguns at home... AR's & AK's

[NateIU10]

Wait, AR and AK pistols must be over 29" too?

No.

 

[SneakySh0rty]

Wait, AR and AK pistols must be over 29" too?

Sorry I shouldve clarified I was talking about SBRs
and not about AR pistols for the 29" OAL



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[smdub]

Yes, Per the MSP it currently sounds like SBRs need to be >29".

 

[clandestine]

The Roster we have is good people. That's all I say.

If its SAFE (yes they test the samples, that's why the baby .380 glock failed the roster) and isn't a specific banned assault pistol they will likely approve a handgun.

 

[Kingjamez]

The Roster we have is good people. That's all I say.

If its SAFE (yes they test the samples, that's why the baby .380 glock failed the roster) and isn't a specific banned assault pistol they will likely approve a handgun.

I don't think anyone is saying the roster board isn't "good". However, if I am building at home, whatever I build won't be on the roster and I just want to ensure I am staying legal.

I think I can legally build AK and AR pistols at home based on all current clarifications.

-Jim

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[clandestine]

I don't think anyone is saying the roster board isn't "good". However, if I am building at home, whatever I build won't be on the roster and I just want to ensure I am staying legal.

I think I can legally build AK and AR pistols at home based on all current clarifications.

-Jim

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I agree with your assessment. Just can't sell it in MD without it being on the roster.

 

[aquaman]

So in theory using a trust you could build your own AK pistol and then SBR it?

 

[SneakySh0rty]

So in theory using a trust you could build your own AK pistol and then SBR it?

dont need a trust to build an ak pistol. As long as the firearm is abides by federal and state laws you will be good to go. Since AK pistols are not rifles, you can build an AK one. AND since copycats are not ALGs (via the clarification Engage got) AK SBRs are good to go from a homebuilt pistol (as long as they pass the copycat test).

dont need a trust to make an SBR, can file as an individual but have to go through MSP before sending off to the ATF. A Trust cuts down the wait time.

 

[Soul Rebel]

so you can build your own AK pistol post 10/1/13?

 

[bobthefisher]

so you can build your own AK pistol post 10/1/13?

Yes! We have to understand that a receiver/frame, is just that, a receiver/frame, not a pistol or rifle. The fact that MSP doesn't see it this way is logically wrong, however I'm not going to piss up that rope right now. But their reasoning for banning AR/AK receiver sales, is because in their eyes it can be constructed as an "assault long gun", and also that particular receiver (frame) you're trying to transfer is not on the handgun roster board. However, I'm unsure if handgun frames have to be on the handgun roster board, which if not, could provide a good contention against banning AR/AK receivers. I'm sure in the not too distant future we'll start seeing Engage and others selling AR-15 receivers, but as frames of already approved specific AR-15 handguns.

Anyway, for home-built pistols/handguns it's all about intent, and showing the intention of building just a pistol. And for this exercise, it's all about the stock, or the lack of one. So, for example, when building an AK pistol, only bend receiver flats that DO NOT have rear trunnion holes for your typical AKM stock, or better yet any rear trunnion holes at all, until your ready to drill for a receiver end plate (i.e. pistol trunnion).

As far as AR's, again it's all about intent, but this can become a lot stupider real quick, as AR receivers can be turned into robots with ninja swords, with all the ridiculous amount of parts and accessories out there these days. The best bet would be to already have in your possession the pistol buffer tube before finishing that 80% AR lower. This way you can attach the pistol tube when you've completed the trigger-well milling. We can go back-and-forth all day, about at what point could it be considered a pistol frame or an "assault long-gun" receiver. The fact that you show intention by placing a pistol buffer tube after the receiver/frame is completed should be good enough. Hence, I wouldn't leave a newly finished AR pistol receiver, without a pistol tube installed, laying around next to a normal AR carbine stock buffer tube, then crying foul when you say "it was only for a pistol", or something along those lines.

So for AR/AK pistol builds, simply follow these guidelines. However, other style of firearms may differ. It's either this, or submit for ATF SBR paperwork, and conform to the copycat clauses once the SBR is approved.

That's my two cents. Spend them or chuck them, but that's how I'm going to be doing things.

 

[Mike4Maryland]

I usually build my pistols out of Pop Tarts.

 

[Kingjamez]

Does anyone see anything in the MD handgun definitions that says a handgun must have a barrel less than 16"? I believe that as long as I have no stock, and a pistol trunnion on and AK that it is still considered a handgun.

-Jim

 

[NateIU10]

Does anyone see anything in the MD handgun definitions that says a handgun must have a barrel less than 16"? I believe that as long as I have no stock, and a pistol trunnion on and AK that it is still considered a handgun.

-Jim

For purposes of which section/article? The definition in the public safety article is barrel less than 16". Some of the public safety sections use the crim law definition, which does not state barrel length.

 

[Kingjamez]

For purposes of which section/article? The definition in the public safety article is barrel less than 16". Some of the public safety sections use the crim law definition, which does not state barrel length.

Right, thanks. I was looking at the criminal law code 4-201. I now see the public safety 5-101 only uses the barrel length test. Looks like I need to keep my barrel less than 16" even if I have no stock.

-Jim

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[Ragnar]

Just finish your banned receiver and build it into a pistol out of state, bring it home, and you're good to go. You will have never possessed a post-9/30/13 banned receiver in Maryland.

 

[SneakySh0rty]

Jim (and Nate too),

Wondering if you made any progress for this project or still doing just research?

Also, ive been pondering the criteria of a pistol vs SBR.

In regards to an AR pistol: having a carbine buffer tube on an AR pistol doesnt make it illegal correct? Only becomes illegal when a stock is attached to the tube without the proper paperwork.

In the same sense. Could you create an AK pistol and rivet in a fixed stock trunnion. As long as one doesnt actually put a stock on it, would it still be classified as an AK pistol?

 

[Kingjamez]

Sneaky:
I bought a Hungarian AK kit recently and plan to build it into a pistol. The kit uses a stock 16" barrel, but I'm going to use a 14.5" AMD-65 barrel instead. I also bought a pistol trunnion at the same time and plan to sell my extra rifle stock before I start the build.

My plan is to use the SIG AK47 TAC brace with this kit for extra controllability ;-)

-Jim

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[Firemann20]

Hey guys:

Would this be feasible?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=423493757

 

[Biggfoot44]

And just to further confuse things is (potentially) the 26in overall factor.

Back when they were more popular the Super 16 T/C Contenders used to fuel what if brainstorming regarding Md various Md laws.

 

[TheGunnyRet]

Ok so reading this thread and attempting to absorb the content. My question would be referencing the attached picture. That, this firearm can be built at home out of an M14 as long as the total length is greater or equal to 29" as a rifle.