FSA2013 Compliant Rifles

[daggo66]

I have a feeling that many will also be left up to interpretation, which will also make buying difficult. The SCAR is an interesting example. It's currently cash and carry, but has a folding stock. The only reason that the Mini-14 is on the list and the SCAR isn't is that the SCAR is newer than that list. So the question becomes whether or not they will consider the muzzle break a flash suppressor.

 

[foxtrapper]

What is the length of the FS2000? Also what is the "normal" price for one? Cash and carry, huh? Do they accept AR type pmags? Or is it some special F'N FN mag?

A shame that the PS90 is going to be banned after oct 1 (28"). Glad I got one already.

Anyone know what the "reasoning" was behind the 30" and shorter ( amended to 29") aspect of the bill? If they wanted to ban the PS90, why not just list it by name? There must be some convoluted thing that made them put that length provision in there. Like "SBR's are more evil". No way they were thinking "oh, bullpup rifles!".

 

[danb]

Anyone know what the "reasoning" was behind the 30" and shorter ( amended to 29") aspect of the bill? .

the thinking is that it was a concession to Beretta to make their new gun legit. or the storm (29.7")

 

[trbon8r]

I have a feeling that many will also be left up to interpretation, which will also make buying difficult. The SCAR is an interesting example. It's currently cash and carry, but has a folding stock. The only reason that the Mini-14 is on the list and the SCAR isn't is that the SCAR is newer than that list. So the question becomes whether or not they will consider the muzzle break a flash suppressor.

If FN deems it to be profitable all they would have to do is make a Maryland model of the SCAR that comes with a muzzle brake instead of flash suppressor. As I mentioned before Springfield did this with the M1A for the California market. Then again the CA market is much bigger and more lucrative than MD.

 

[c33m0n3y]

I have a feeling that many will also be left up to interpretation, which will also make buying difficult. The SCAR is an interesting example. It's currently cash and carry, but has a folding stock. The only reason that the Mini-14 is on the list and the SCAR isn't is that the SCAR is newer than that list. So the question becomes whether or not they will consider the muzzle break a flash suppressor.

My thoughts:

This is the exact muzzle brake/compensator the SCAR comes with, stock:

The writeup:
http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=1647&idaffiliate=7
Note in writeup: "This device has been classified as a non-flash suppressing device by the BATFE so CA and other restricted states now have a nice option upgrade."

So the SCAR's only feature in the 2-part test is the folding stock. The SCAR should still be sold in MD cash & carry after this abomination takes effect.

Regarding the HBAR discussion, the law did not change the description of the erstwhile regulated and now banned firearms. Since no 16" barrel AR-15 has a "folding stock", is "less than 29" in length", have a "grenade launcher", accommodate a "fixed 10 round magazine", and only potentially have a "flash hider", I don't see why any HBAR AR-15 that can be sold as a cash & carry up to October 1st would not remain able to be sold as such afterwards. The whole "It's gotta be a Colt Sporter HBAR!" argument is invalidated by the initial statement in the law which states that the manufacturer of the soon-to-be-banned firearms is irrelevant (the "clone" argument):
[(p)] (R) “Regulated firearm” means:
(1) a handgun; or
(2) a firearm that is any of the following specific assault weapons or
their copies, regardless of which company produced and manufactured that assault weapon:

which applies not just to what was regulated/now-banned, but also to what was allowed (Colt Sporter H-BAR). If MSP/MD AG allowed non-Colt HBAR's to be sold as unregulated before, there is no reason for that to change after Oct. 1st. The legislators had ample opportunity to define the law better and they didn't.

To me the lack of clarity is only in the case someone were to separate the original lower receiver from its HBAR upper with the intent of pairing each with other non-original uppers/lowers. If you start with a regulated/granfathered lower and you add an HBAR upper, you still have a regulated/granfathered gun. There's no way to create a non-regulated/ HBAR AR-15 if you start with a regulated/granfathered lower. Now, if you swap uppers on your non-regulated HBAR Lower with another HBAR upper, do you still have a non-regulated/legal gun afterwards? That's murky.

Like Markp often states on this board, if you try to read into the law what you think it "should" say you're not reading the law, you're trying to fix it. It was a deeply flawed law before, with the whole "regulated firearm" BS, it is now crazy stupid f-ed up with that and the 2 part test. Hopefully our LGS's won't be bullied by MSP or other agencies in to "Fixing" the law through BS interpretations that attempt to cover up the stupidity of the drafters.

 

[trbon8r]

Interesting. I was just looking at the FN website, and sure enough in the specs of the SCAR 16 it does say compensator rather than flash suppressor. I think we have a winner.

 

[altima98]

What is the length of the FS2000? Also what is the "normal" price for one? Cash and carry, huh? Do they accept AR type pmags? Or is it some special F'N FN mag?

A shame that the PS90 is going to be banned after oct 1 (28"). Glad I got one already.

Anyone know what the "reasoning" was behind the 30" and shorter ( amended to 29") aspect of the bill? If they wanted to ban the PS90, why not just list it by name? There must be some convoluted thing that made them put that length provision in there. Like "SBR's are more evil". No way they were thinking "oh, bullpup rifles!".

The FS2000 CQB (Space Gun) is 29.3 inches, it passes the test, and it only accepts USGI Steel mags, no Pmags last I looked.

http://www.fnhusa.com/l/products/commercial/carbines/fs2000-series/fs2000-cqb/

 

[Vile Shadow]

Here's a thought.

The regulated list specifies the Colt AR-15 "and all imitations". We all know what that means.

AK's are specifed about 4 different ways, the last being "Avtomat Kalashnikov semi-automatic rifle in any format".

So no doubt those 2 are covered.

Now as for Galil's, the list only mentions the AR and the SAR, not the Golani Sporter, as made by Century Arms. It doesn't say anything about imitations either. Only issue there should be the feature test, since most of those are side fold. Remove the stock entirely, or leave it out and braze it in place.

 

[USMCTC]

Just curious - but since the M1A will now be banned, that would also mean Fulton Armory's M-14s will be too, correct? The M-14 is FA's main product. I know that they are not nearly as big as Beretta, but did FA raise any raucus that we know of? Seems the General Assembly kind of tried to throw a bone to Beretta, albeit not much of one. I just wonder what FA had to say about this stupid ban.

 

[Kharn]

What about the other boutique rifles?

Robinson Armament XCR-L and XCR-M seem like they would be ok if the flash hider is removed. Is the overall length measured with the stock unfolded (Federal standard)? If so, the 16" barrel is 37" long, if they pull a Michigan/California and measure it with the stock closed, then we would need to buy the 18.5" barrels to meet 30.1" long.

Bushmaster ACR comes standard with an A2 flash hider, or their NY-compliant version has a welded on brake. It sounds like spinning off the A2 and installing an acceptable comp would suffice without needing to weld it on (as MD's law does not ban "threads capable of..." like the Fed AWB did). I can't find any overall length info for the ACR, so this one might not work out if they measure with the stock folded. (Assuming someone at MSP does not interpret "Bushmaster semi-auto rifle" to include any rifle stamped Bushmaster, and not just the original Bushmaster ARM, if that is the case, the Bushmaster XM17 is also acceptable with a 30" OAL)

 

[Tashtego]

What is the status of Just Right Carbines in .40, 9mm and .45? Are they currently regulated (meaning, they will be banned)? If so, why--are they copies of AR-15s?

 

[danb]

J that would also mean Fulton Armory's M-14s will be too, correct?

that is an interesting question - since technically the list says springfield m1a. I am not sure you could call the fulton semi-auto m14 (really an m14 replica with a different receiver) a true "copy" of the m1a (there ARE differences). the fulton semi-auto m14 replicas are $$$$ though.

 

[USMCTC]

I am not sure you could call the fulton semi-auto m14 (really an m14 replica with a different receiver) a true "copy" of the m1a (there ARE differences). the fulton semi-auto m14 replicas are $$$$ though.

I am just getting into the M-14 style rifles.....so there are differences? I believe the current AG interprets a "copy," to mean that parts are interchangeable. Are they not completely interchangeable with the Springfield M1A?

One of the most popular type of rifles for competition, and they banned it...

 

[SCARCQB]

Expensive, exotic, unaffordable and made of unobtanium makes the list of PCR. Politically correct rifle.

Most of these are beyond the reach of the common man. Gone are the days of 700 dollar ARs and AKs. People must make a six figure salary to qualify to own these PCR rifles.

 

[Tashtego]

But you can find AR-10s at an affordable price.

 

[occbrian]

Anyone know what the "reasoning" was behind the 30" and shorter ( amended to 29") aspect of the bill? If they wanted to ban the PS90, why not just list it by name? There must be some convoluted thing that made them put that length provision in there. Like "SBR's are more evil". No way they were thinking "oh, bullpup rifles!".

The Beretta CX4 Storm is 29.7 inches in overall length.

They reduced it to 29" to accommodate Beretta. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[NateIU10]

 

[Marksman]

Pretty much makes it similar to the banned BM-59, but not quite.

If you want a not banned .308 battle rifle with detachable 20 round mags, look no further: Argentinian FN-49, I picked up 3 of them. No flash hider, no integral grenade launcher, and no folding stock.

What about a Saiga .308? Would that be considered an AK variant?

 

[Markp]

What about a Saiga .308? Would that be considered an AK variant?

Yes, unfortunately they banned any Kalashnikov semi automatic rifle. If it has an AK action and is a rifle, it's done.

Avtomat Kalashnikov semiautomatic rifle in any format.

Don't worry, you can still get the full auto variant.

Also, if I were serious about wanting a better AK, I would adapt the Vz.58 to take AK magazines and be done with it. Vz.58's are going to become very popular in MD in the future is my prediction.

 

[Armati]

Two cents on all of this:

If I understand all of this, any HBAR is gtg? When is Adcor coming out with HBAR lowers? Is HBAR somehow proprietary to Colt?

Looks like the Adcore BEAR is gtg.

The Tavor should be gtg.

Any AR10 should be gtg. BTW, the AR10 is a damn good rifle. It is good for hunting, personal defense, or all out combat.

I have been building ARs for years. I personally cannot drop $1000+ on a gun. Well, let me caveat that, I "can" but my wife would not go for it. I get my ARs "on piece at a time" as it were. For guys who are worried about buying highly expensive rifles outright, I would highly recommend buying a lower and building it up a hundred dollars at a time as your funds will allow. Gunbroker and Ebay are great places to buy parts. Brownells offers a great LE/Military discount if you qualify.

I am dead serious here, if anyone would like help building up an AR, PM me and I will help you out. However, YouTube and most of the big gun forums have tons of technical help.